Major Security Flaw!

[whtchocla7e]

No reason to post it if you're sure it's not a widespread issue.

[chadstyle]

This is the most ridiculous thread.. He's talking about common RF interference. "Jammers" are easily available that block way more than just RF.. They block Bluetooth, cellular signal, wifi, AM/FM, etc for a 250 foot range. I personally have one although I don't use it for blocking people from locking their cars.

The OP is talking about common RF interference between remotes. This thread should be removed as there is no security flaw with our cars any more than any other car utilizing an RF remote to lock/unlock the doors. He's worrying people for no reason at all.

[ST185RC]

If someone is going to break into my car, I'd rather them jam my signal and steal my stuff without breaking the window. If someone wants my car badly enough, they will have it.

When signals are going through the air at the same frequency obviously there will be interference and confusion. Like 2.4GHz cordless phones back in the day that messes with your 2.4GHz router?

Or when a girl waves toward you and you wave back only to realize she's waving at her boyfriend behind you? Yeah, mass confusion.

[Ranatsu]

This has been a problem on almost every single subaru with keyless entry. But it only works with other subaru key fobs.

[AznBRZer]

Originally Posted by ST185RC

Or when a girl waves toward you and you wave back only to realize she's waving at her boyfriend behind you? Yeah, mass confusion.

LOLZ...repped.

[minus220]

I don't know if I would go as far as calling this a "major security flaw!" a small glitch at best, a glitch most wireless devices suffer from. what r the odds som1 else in a parking lot will be close enough and locking their car at the exact same time. plus you'll notice if doesn't beep right away

[Gixxersixxerman]

Originally Posted by chadstyle

This is the most ridiculous thread.. He's talking about common RF interference. "Jammers" are easily available that block way more than just RF.. They block Bluetooth, cellular signal, wifi, AM/FM, etc for a 250 foot range. I personally have one although I don't use it for blocking people from locking their cars.

The OP is talking about common RF interference between remotes. This thread should be removed as there is no security flaw with our cars any more than any other car utilizing an RF remote to lock/unlock the doors. He's worrying people for no reason at all.

Except now I'm educated on this using my key fob to get my neighbors V1 radar detector..

Not really.. But yes, now that people know its this easy to just get inside a car with out breaking a window.. Or an expensive jammer you don't want to get caught with.. Just sit around at a meet with you finger on the fob, and wait for them to go inside and get what you want lol..

[chadstyle]

Originally Posted by Gixxersixxerman

Except now I'm educated on this using my key fob to get my neighbors V1 radar detector..

Not really.. But yes, now that people know its this easy to just get inside a car with out breaking a window.. Or an expensive jammer you don't want to get caught with.. Just sit around at a meet with you finger on the fob, and wait for them to go inside and get what you want lol..

The point is that this isn't new information at all...its been the same since the beginning of RF. We're not informing thieves about anything they don't already know. Auto theft has been pretty high tech for the last decade or so and this is barely scratching the surface. I've seen all sorts of crazy devices to bypass transponders and start almost any car made...they're out there. I can also duplicate any frequency and unlock doors or start cars remotely. "Rolling" codes don't help much either..I've been able to catch and duplicate them just as easily. If someone wants your car or what's in it bad enough, they'll get it. Threads like this serve no purpose at all other than causing people to worry over something that's been there all along.

I park my car in my garage at home and at work and if I run errands, I park all my cars where I can see them. Its not a BRZ/FRS thing, its a "any car that has keyless entry" thing. If you all want a solution I have it. Use the switch to lock your doors.

[DBacon1052]

Originally Posted by tonyfrs86

if you're worried about someone stealing your car just get low jack..but i dont know how dependable that is. no ones tried to steal my car yet.

Im more worried about someone getting into my car, but this was more about informing the community as I always make sure my car is locked. Lojack wouldn't help in this situation.

Originally Posted by chadstyle

This is the most ridiculous thread.. He's talking about common RF interference. "Jammers" are easily available that block way more than just RF.. They block Bluetooth, cellular signal, wifi, AM/FM, etc for a 250 foot range. I personally have one although I don't use it for blocking people from locking their cars.

The OP is talking about common RF interference between remotes. This thread should be removed as there is no security flaw with our cars any more than any other car utilizing an RF remote to lock/unlock the doors. He's worrying people for no reason at all.

Im sorry you think the thread is ridiculous, but RF interference isn't common knowledge. Maybe if I posted this on an electronics/security/theft forum it would be, but not on a car forum. Also, people should be worried about this or at least know about it. The fix is as simple as making sure the car locks which isn't very hard to do.

Originally Posted by minus220

I don't know if I would go as far as calling this a "major security flaw!" a small glitch at best, a glitch most wireless devices suffer from. what r the odds som1 else in a parking lot will be close enough and locking their car at the exact same time. plus you'll notice if doesn't beep right away

I honestly found this out and overreacted a bit when I made the title. It is pretty major as it can allow someone to get into your car. I'll change the name to a security advisory now.

Originally Posted by chadstyle

The point is that this isn't new information at all...its been the same since the beginning of RF. We're not informing thieves about anything they don't already know. Auto theft has been pretty high tech for the last decade or so and this is barely scratching the surface. I've seen all sorts of crazy devices to bypass transponders and start almost any car made...they're out there. I can also duplicate any frequency and unlock doors or start cars remotely. "Rolling" codes don't help much either..I've been able to catch and duplicate them just as easily. If someone wants your car or what's in it bad enough, they'll get it. Threads like this serve no purpose at all other than causing people to worry over something that's been there all along.

I park my car in my garage at home and at work and if I run errands, I park all my cars where I can see them. Its not a BRZ/FRS thing, its a "any car that has keyless entry" thing. If you all want a solution I have it. Use the switch to lock your doors.

The solution is just to make sure your car is locked and that is all I was trying to get across. I'm sorry that you knew about this, but I'm willing to bet most people on this forum don't. I appreciate the info though. Obviously, all I'm trying to do is inform people about this issue so wouldn't that be the purpose of this thread? You must have found out about RF jammers and all sorts of stuff somewhere also. Right?

[DBacon1052]

Originally Posted by minus220

I don't know if I would go as far as calling this a "major security flaw!" a small glitch at best, a glitch most wireless devices suffer from. what r the odds som1 else in a parking lot will be close enough and locking their car at the exact same time. plus you'll notice if doesn't beep right away

I tried to change the name, but it still shows up as Major Security Flaw. Any suggestions on how I change that.

[kanundrum]

This is really nothing new or even a concern. This is probably a bit more serious, I deal with stuff like this on a daily basis at work. Buffer Overflow on the ECU thru the TPMS wirelessly.

http://www.networkworld.com/communit...nitors-remotel

[neutron256]

Originally Posted by DBacon1052

I emailed nhtsa and scion. I haven't checked if this effects the subaru keys or not (are they the same as the scion/toyota keys?). Who should I contant from fcc? Just one of the commissioners?

No offense, but you are seriously over reacting to this. Watching/listening for the confirmation when you hit lock is just common sense. If people can't be troubled to do that then its their own fault. This is not a flaw, its just a limitation of the technology. No wireless system works 100% of the time.

But if you really want to write the FCC go ahead I'm sure they'll get a laugh as they complain to each other about people wasting their time.

[DBacon1052]

Originally Posted by neutron256

No offense, but you are seriously over reacting to this. Watching/listening for the confirmation when you hit lock is just common sense. If people can't be troubled to do that then its their own fault. This is not a flaw, its just a limitation of the technology. No wireless system works 100% of the time.

But if you really want to write the FCC go ahead I'm sure they'll get a laugh as they complain to each other about people wasting their time.

It wasn't a hard thing to do. Someone recommended that I do it so I did.

[Fenrir]

Originally Posted by DBacon1052

Im sorry you think the thread is ridiculous, but RF interference isn't common knowledge. Maybe if I posted this on an electronics/security/theft forum it would be, but not on a car forum. Also, people should be worried about this or at least know about it. The fix is as simple as making sure the car locks which isn't very hard to do.

It bloody well should be. How can anyone live in a technologically driven society, with the means to buy a $25~k (USD) car, and not understand the basics of radio waves?

Pretty sure they teach that crap in high school.

Everyone else in this thread is saying "not to sound like a ****..." but I do mean to sound like a ****. Ignorance isn't an excuse to be ignorant.