Venting about the stick

[krayzie]

If you think automatics are reliable then you probably never owned a Honda or DSG.

[Mr.Impreza]

Originally Posted by krayzie

If you think automatics are reliable then you probably never owned a Honda or DSG.

Bro....I have 2 Honda's...and one is a CVT....why you got to hurt me like that?

[ermax]

Originally Posted by krayzie

If you think automatics are reliable then you probably never owned a Honda or DSG.

Seriously... the trany on the V6 is terrifying.

[Impureclient]

Hmmm for something so great it's odd that we are were we are at, 3% and dwindling. It still doesn't erase all the problems people complain about in here of the manuals. In fact if you correct the gearing on the autos as people do with a final drive swap, they are equal or better in every way than their manual counterpart. The service manual can be a set of novels for a auto trans. but the fact is manual transmissions time are up. Instead of trying to fight against the inevitable, I'd just try and accept it and not let a transmission be the central part of choosing a vehicle.

[ermax]

Originally Posted by Impureclient

Hmmm for something so great it's odd that we are were we are at, 3% and dwindling. It still doesn't erase all the problems people complain about in here of the manuals. In fact if you correct the gearing on the autos as people do with a final drive swap, they are equal or better in every way than their manual counterpart. The service manual can be a set of novels for a auto trans. but the fact is manual transmissions time are up. Instead of trying to fight against the inevitable, I'd just try and accept it and not let a transmission be the central part of choosing a vehicle.

I think you miss the point. People don't like manuals simply due to a spec sheet. It's all about the fun factor.

For me a manual will always be at the top of my buying list.

For the record, my car has 80k on it and I have zero complaints other than the TOB which I will be replacing this weekend with the revised bearing. But I also know how to drive. The FRS is the best feeling tranny I have felt other than an AP2 S2000 and I've driven a ton of cars.

[Summerwolf]

Originally Posted by Impureclient

Hmmm for something so great it's odd that we are were we are at, 3% and dwindling. It still doesn't erase all the problems people complain about in here of the manuals. In fact if you correct the gearing on the autos as people do with a final drive swap, they are equal or better in every way than their manual counterpart. The service manual can be a set of novels for a auto trans. but the fact is manual transmissions time are up. Instead of trying to fight against the inevitable, I'd just try and accept it and not let a transmission be the central part of choosing a vehicle.

Normally it is THE central part of a vehicle. Auto equal or better in every way?

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Impureclient

Hmmm for something so great it's odd that we are were we are at, 3% and dwindling. It still doesn't erase all the problems people complain about in here of the manuals. In fact if you correct the gearing on the autos as people do with a final drive swap, they are equal or better in every way than their manual counterpart. The service manual can be a set of novels for a auto trans. but the fact is manual transmissions time are up. Instead of trying to fight against the inevitable, I'd just try and accept it and not let a transmission be the central part of choosing a vehicle.

[funwheeldrive]

Originally Posted by Impureclient

Hmmm for something so great it's odd that we are were we are at, 3% and dwindling. It still doesn't erase all the problems people complain about in here of the manuals. In fact if you correct the gearing on the autos as people do with a final drive swap, they are equal or better in every way than their manual counterpart. The service manual can be a set of novels for a auto trans. but the fact is manual transmissions time are up. Instead of trying to fight against the inevitable, I'd just try and accept it and not let a transmission be the central part of choosing a vehicle.

Well shoot, I might as well just trade my car in for a Chevy Bolt.

[ermax]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

Well shoot, I might as well just trade my car in for a Chevy Bolt.

Yep... time to pack up and go home. Our time is up. Hahaha.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by ermax

Seriously... the trany on the V6 is terrifying.

The autos, right? My mom’s accord is a stick. She is over 200k miles on the original clutch. No signs of wear or slippage.

[ermax]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

The autos, right? My mom’s accord is a stick. She is over 200k miles on the original clutch. No signs of wear or slippage.

Yeah.. the auto.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Impureclient

Hmmm for something so great it's odd that we are were we are at, 3% and dwindling. It still doesn't erase all the problems people complain about in here of the manuals. In fact if you correct the gearing on the autos as people do with a final drive swap, they are equal or better in every way than their manual counterpart. The service manual can be a set of novels for a auto trans. but the fact is manual transmissions time are up. Instead of trying to fight against the inevitable, I'd just try and accept it and not let a transmission be the central part of choosing a vehicle.

The reason for the decline is more likely due to having large freeways with long commutes in traffic. European cities have better public transit, and most Europeans see an auto as an unnecessary expense. Autos cost a premium to buy, to service and to repair or replace. “Rich” Americans may not mind the expense. These days, in the States, manuals are so rare that an auto is sometimes the same cost as the manual, and this is probably because the manual requires engineering costs that are less diluted because of lower sales numbers.

Again, I was just venting. It is reasonable that the manual is dying. The internal combustion engine will also go when electric cars take over. This is inevitable. Mandatory auto pilot will probably be the future too. Im guessing cars will be shuttles that we don’t even own someday, but just pick us up as needed. I know what is coming. I still plan to whine about it because venting is healthy.

Originally Posted by ermax

I think you miss the point. People don't like manuals simply due to a spec sheet. It's all about the fun factor.

In his defense he was responding to one of my reasons for wanting a manual besides the fun factor, which was less problems and maintenance.

[Vracer111]

Last year of production was 2015, but the Nissan Xterra Pro4X is maybe suitable - Frontier chassis and drivetrain with SUV body and seating for 5. Has 4.0L V6, 6-speed manual that pulls hard, selectable 4WD, and 5k lb towing capacity. Accelerates well and is decent in corners. Then you have the true offroad ability which puts it in the same company as the FJ, Jeep, and Hummer.

Or just get a non Pro 4X 4WD model and mod as desired:

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Vracer111

Last year of production was 2015, but the Nissan Xterra Pro4X is maybe suitable - Frontier chassis and drivetrain with SUV body and seating for 5. Has 4.0L V6, 6-speed manual that pulls hard, selectable 4WD, and 5k lb towing capacity. Accelerates well and is decent in corners. Then you have the true offroad ability which puts it in the same company as the FJ, Jeep, and Hummer.

Or just get a non Pro 4X 4WD model and mod as desired:

Looks bad ass.