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[raven1231]

Originally Posted by STV3

And I'm sure that you didn't make threads like this either


http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61484

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58948

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58492

What are some onions guys? I'm thinking about getting the stage tree kit!

[strat61caster]

Buy a used 911, it'll be cheaper if you plan on driving it for more than 3 years and faster without sacrificing much and giving you a comfy interior.
Base 911 from the 997 generation starts at 340 horses, S bumps you up to 380.

Seriously, price out a new car, or lightly used, then go add up everything called out above if you want to do more than look pretty in a parking lot. I bought my car new, I'm currently $30k into the car including initial purchase price and current modifications. If I continue on the path to forced induction I will likely end up spending over $40k on the car and I will be happy with ~240 WHP because reliability trumps numbers for my purposes. Sure you can do it cheaper, knock $10k off by starting used, skipping some of the money spent on tires, suspension, and cooling mods if you're not tracking/autocrossing but you'll still be around $30k when all is said and done (don't forget labor costs).

Meanwhile I could buy this '06 911 S for $37k (asking) and get 380hp along with a much nicer build quality and bypassing a lot of troubleshooting, heartache, time wasted, and $$$ by keeping the car near factory stock.

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/cto/5123467277.html
(and this appears to be outside the problematic IMS years)

I have my reasons for building the car (as I'm sure OP does) but if simple power is your goal there much are easier ways to do it, not to mention just buying a big displacement car in the first place.

[#maverick#]

You need e85 for 400 hp on stock motor, order barrels of it and a flex fuel kit

[King Tut]

He should probably just buy an S2000 instead. They can do 400 whp on 93 octane no problems.

[GsxrMe]

Originally Posted by King Tut

He should probably just buy an S2000 instead. They can do 400 whp on 93 octane no problems.

The day Honda brings back the S2000 and stops playing with the Civic Si

[glamcem]

Originally Posted by King Tut

He should probably just buy an S2000 instead. They can do 400 whp on 93 octane no problems.

I was gonna say that even the K20 engine on Kraftwerks' website makes 360whp easily, I wish we had those Vtec engines in our cars

[Jaden]

Originally Posted by King Tut

My advice is stick to the Camaro if you want 400 whp on 93 octane.

You would need 550-600 hp in a camaro to compare to a twin with 400 whp...

Jaden

[Jaden]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Buy a used 911, it'll be cheaper if you plan on driving it for more than 3 years and faster without sacrificing much and giving you a comfy interior.
Base 911 from the 997 generation starts at 340 horses, S bumps you up to 380.

Seriously, price out a new car, or lightly used, then go add up everything called out above if you want to do more than look pretty in a parking lot. I bought my car new, I'm currently $30k into the car including initial purchase price and current modifications. If I continue on the path to forced induction I will likely end up spending over $40k on the car and I will be happy with ~240 WHP because reliability trumps numbers for my purposes. Sure you can do it cheaper, knock $10k off by starting used, skipping some of the money spent on tires, suspension, and cooling mods if you're not tracking/autocrossing but you'll still be around $30k when all is said and done (don't forget labor costs).

Meanwhile I could buy this '06 911 S for $37k (asking) and get 380hp along with a much nicer build quality and bypassing a lot of troubleshooting, heartache, time wasted, and $$$ by keeping the car near factory stock.

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/cto/5123467277.html
(and this appears to be outside the problematic IMS years)

I have my reasons for building the car (as I'm sure OP does) but if simple power is your goal there much are easier ways to do it, not to mention just buying a big displacement car in the first place.

What crack are you smoking to think that a cayman s with 380 bhp is going to be faster than a twin with 400 whp?

And cheaper? Again you're smoking crack. A built motor running at 23 psi can be had for about 12 g's with the know how.. and that will easily surpass his goals.

Jaden

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Jaden

What crack are you smoking to think that a cayman s with 380 bhp is going to be faster than a twin with 400 whp?

And cheaper? Again you're smoking crack. A built motor running at 23 psi can be had for about 12 g's with the know how.. and that will easily surpass his goals.

Jaden

lol, you didn't read very closely did you?

I said a used 911S (the one I linked was $37k, I've seen a few at $35k ish) would be cheaper than a fully built 86 putting down 400whp.

I'll agree with your estimate, $12k budget will get the power there. Now add in the tires (at least $3k if you're going to match grip available in the 911 without getting heavier wheels), axles, (I'll assume clutch is part of your $12k), you're going to be pretty sloppy on stock suspension so a decent entry level coilover setup is around $3k, I suppose all the rubber bushings and suspension components are pocket change in this build but I've heard they don't quite hold up to high speed loads, oh and I'll also assume that oil cooling and upgraded radiator is included in your $12k estimate, by my math that's over $18k to get a car that's competitive with the 911S on paper, or at the very least won't trip over itself on track.

Unless I'm way off and you can get all that for $12k? Wouldn't mind a parts list on that build.

Start with a brand new car at $26k? Yay you just spent $43k on a car that "should be" faster than a $37k 911S. Ok start used at $16k with a bargain basement used 86, you saved $3k off of buying the 911S. And hey if my math is wrong and you can get a track reliable 86 with just $12k in mod money and your claiming you can get an 86 with 400whp for $28k onto the track, that's awesome! I'd love to see some guys with similar setups running bug free. Last I heard Crawford never got their overheating solved on track before selling the car...

Vs. a car with OEM design and reliability? If raw hp numbers and straight line speed are the only thing that matters I'll bow out now, in my mind it's only worth discussing cars that are built to handle the abuse of being driven at 10/10ths.

[Jaden]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

lol, you didn't read very closely did you?

I said a used 911S (the one I linked was $37k, I've seen a few at $35k ish) would be cheaper than a fully built 86 putting down 400whp.

I'll agree with your estimate, $12k budget will get the power there. Now add in the tires (at least $3k if you're going to match grip available in the 911 without getting heavier wheels), axles, (I'll assume clutch is part of your $12k), you're going to be pretty sloppy on stock suspension so a decent entry level coilover setup is around $3k, I suppose all the rubber bushings and suspension components are pocket change in this build but I've heard they don't quite hold up to high speed loads, oh and I'll also assume that oil cooling and upgraded radiator is included in your $12k estimate, by my math that's over $18k to get a car that's competitive with the 911S on paper, or at the very least won't trip over itself on track.

Unless I'm way off and you can get all that for $12k? Wouldn't mind a parts list on that build.

Start with a brand new car at $26k? Yay you just spent $43k on a car that "should be" faster than a $37k 911S. Ok start used at $16k with a bargain basement used 86, you saved $3k off of buying the 911S. And hey if my math is wrong and you can get a track reliable 86 with just $12k in mod money and your claiming you can get an 86 with 400whp for $28k onto the track, that's awesome! I'd love to see some guys with similar setups running bug free. Last I heard Crawford never got their overheating solved on track before selling the car...

Vs. a car with OEM design and reliability? If raw hp numbers and straight line speed are the only thing that matters I'll bow out now, in my mind it's only worth discussing cars that are built to handle the abuse of being driven at 10/10ths.

The twins are 3 years old, WHY on EARTH if you're rebuilding the engine would you buy a brand new one. Pick up a used one for 16-17K.

And you're still trying to say that a heavier car with 380 BHP will outperform a lighter car with 400whp. I just don't get where people are coming from on that.

You're also assuming that ALL upgrades, suspension and what not are new. Also, entry level coilovers are NOT $3K even new. Those are mid level coils...

Jaden

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Jaden

The twins are 3 years old, WHY on EARTH if you're rebuilding the engine would you buy a brand new one. Pick up a used one for 16-17K.

And you're still trying to say that a heavier car with 380 BHP will outperform a lighter car with 400whp. I just don't get where people are coming from on that.

You're also assuming that ALL upgrades, suspension and what not are new. Also, entry level coilovers are NOT $3K even new. Those are mid level coils...

Jaden

You're right, my statement that you'll be faster in a 911S than a built 86 that shoots for the moon on performance was incorrect. Should have picked a different benchmark like a Corvette.

But why would you build such a fast car and take any chances on quality or durability or past usage on parts? Are you proposing $1k coilovers will be adequate when going for more than double the stock horsepower? You're also assuming that there will be zero glitches in building such a car, like I said I would love to see someone running 400whp without any issues.

Sure the 86 can be built to be faster with less money than just about anything OEM with cheap used examples available, I won't argue that. But there are even faster cars to build from with the same dollars (LS swapped Miata?).

Life is all about balance, everybody has different priorities and with regards to the OP, he isn't asking the right questions (given that everything posted here has been said before, the answer to his question is easily searchable), so I assumed he's not ready to put the level of effort into building and maintaining a 400whp 86, it isn't something just anybody can do, unless of course you have the cash to pay someone else to do it, and then you lose the value proponent of the argument.