Why is nobody making catted UEL headers except ft86speedfactory?

[GrippinandRippin]

Originally Posted by tahdizzle

Eh, Cali has the weather. You can surf, snowboard, see giant trees, and go to disney land all in the same day.

I am confused as to why I live here now.

Yeah I moved to the bay area about 3 months ago. 3 hours NE I can get to lake Tahoe. 3 hours S a good beach. San Fran 30 mins away. 1 hour from Napa/Sanoma wine country. 3 hours from yosemite. In the mean time the high temp yesterday was 75, it hasn't rained in like 3 weeks, I live in beautiful curvy rolling hills, and can eat any food imaginable within a 30 min drive. Liquor and wine way cheaper.

Imho it's worth the sucky gas, high taxes, and occasional nude bicyclist.

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[F1fletch]

Originally Posted by Jesse@JDLAutodesign

The high flow spun metallic cats are not very restrictive IMO. They will still make good numbers. I have a catted UEL here, has never been tested or posted about, weren't sure if we wanted to pursue them. The cat required for it is more expensive than the one used in the EL header, the runner layout is also quite a bit different than our non catted UEL. There's also no absolute guarantee that you won't eventually throw a CEL on stock tune nor pass emissions in places like California. Basically we weren't sure if the price increase could be justified with the only guarantee being maybe passing a visual inspection and reducing noise/rasp.

I believe it's been proven not only is there a generous market demand but a well designed product does fit the bill:

Good power
Reasonably quiet
Runs clean and in most cases does not throw CEL
Can be optimized with a tune
Does not scream for extra scrutiny due to quiet, clean running design
Best option for those staying NA

This is why I plan on one. JDL should step up here, competition is a good thing. Design a better one, make better power ..... Creative engineering and reasonable costs reap rewards. I am sure everyone is noticing a second wave of innovative products for our cars that make power, look good and make sense. Copy cat filter on a stick (or in a box) designs are buh bye. Hats off to the guys making quality stuff like that.

[IceFyre13th]

Originally Posted by Sypher

Not trying to sound like an ass here but this sentence doesn't make much sense. I get the decision for a EL header but if you wanted top end power that bad you would have gone uncatted for best results. Also UEL's have proven time and time again to make a ton of power especially JDL's UEL. it makes more peak power than many EL headers and being uncatted will probably perform just as well if not better than your catted EL.

JDL UEL on stock car + panel filter made ~188hp
HKS EL with full exhaust made ~195hp

edit: also see http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...postcount=1932 for FT86SF tuned tuned info to match up with tuned JDL UEL and HKS EL power numbers listed above.

What makes no sense, more power is made with an EL, yes it is top end......and aftermarket header with cat still makes more power than stock exhaust manifold with cat.......sure I could get more with no cat, but that is not what I wanted.....I still have to pass emissions testing (check if any codes are in ECU) in a few years and the visual check (cars five years or older in Maricopa county AZ).

What makes no sense is your argument, how is making more power than stock bad?

I make more power than stock, more power with the EL over an UEL, and I still pass the emissions testing when needed with the high flow cat............what the two or three HP I lost with the cat makes a difference.....maybe at a track, not on a street car.

But wait there's more......most of my modifications to the "street car" are done not for the power, but wait for it................Gas mileage, yes I get 35 MPG average now....the extra power is a cool benefit.

[phobos512]

Originally Posted by tahdizzle

Eh, Cali has the weather. You can surf, snowboard, see giant trees, and go to disney land all in the same day.

I am confused as to why I live here now.

As well as some of the highest gas prices, highest taxes on everything, laws for everything, smog, very anti-business...

Sorry, I grew up in California and after college went back and lived there for 10 years and now that I'm finally out I would never go back. Some people think that California is a wonderland but those people haven't lived there as adults.

And yes, there is more to California than just the greater San Francisco Bay Area and the Greater Los Angeles Area, but those places don't matter in the scheme of things because they have no population by comparison. And for the 10 years I lived there after college, that was always the problem. Tyranny of the majority.

[tahdizzle]

Originally Posted by phobos512

As well as some of the highest gas prices, highest taxes on everything, laws for everything, smog, very anti-business...

Sorry, I grew up in California and after college went back and lived there for 10 years and now that I'm finally out I would never go back. Some people think that California is a wonderland but those people haven't lived there as adults.

And yes, there is more to California than just the greater San Francisco Bay Area and the Greater Los Angeles Area, but those places don't matter in the scheme of things because they have no population by comparison. And for the 10 years I lived there after college, that was always the problem. Tyranny of the majority.

All valid points, but there is a reason for all of them. Not done just because.

IMO If you can afford it, California is the only place to live.

Just a pain when it comes to headers.

[Sypher]

Originally Posted by Sypher

Not trying to sound like an ass here but this sentence doesn't make much sense. I get the decision for a EL header but if you wanted top end power that bad you would have gone uncatted for best results. Also UEL's have proven time and time again to make a ton of power especially JDL's UEL. it makes more peak power than many EL headers and being uncatted will probably perform just as well if not better than your catted EL.

JDL UEL on stock car + panel filter made ~188hp
HKS EL with full exhaust made ~195hp

edit: also see http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...postcount=1932 for FT86SF tuned tuned info to match up with tuned JDL UEL and HKS EL power numbers listed above.

Originally Posted by IceFyre13th

What makes no sense, more power is made with an EL, yes it is top end......and aftermarket header with cat still makes more power than stock exhaust manifold with cat.......sure I could get more with no cat, but that is not what I wanted.....I still have to pass emissions testing (check if any codes are in ECU) in a few years and the visual check (cars five years or older in Maricopa county AZ).

What makes no sense is your argument, how is making more power than stock bad? What part of my statement says making more power than stock is bad? I was saying that if your main concern was power then uncatted is the way to go.

I make more power than stock, more power with the EL over an UEL, and I still pass the emissions testing when needed with the high flow cat............what the two or three HP I lost with the cat makes a difference.....maybe at a track, not on a street car. I question if the XS power header you have will make more power than a catted FT86SF header. I havent seen a decent dyno of XS power header. Here is a recent FT86SF catted header dyno http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...postcount=1932

But wait there's more......most of my modifications to the "street car" are done not for the power, but wait for it................Gas mileage, yes I get 35 MPG average now....the extra power is a cool benefit. MPG has a lot more to do with driving style. i can get 34-35MPG if i drive on a hwy going 50-55MPH. Problem is i usually drive 75-80MPH on the freeway. because of this along with traffic i average 30-31MPG.

see notes above in red

My entire statement was questioning your statement of "My Catted header works just fine, but it is an equal length header as I want performance over sound." Mainly the portion of "I want performance" part I find this statement odd because 1) there are better header options for power. For example uncatted headers or JDL's catted EL Header. 2) there are UEL's that make better power in the more usable portion of the power band than EL headers.

[kiichiro]

Originally Posted by jflogerzi

If your going supercharger, Don't even worry about a header. Its a waste of money. Stick with stock. I rather dump money into a flex flue kit (if you have E85) which will net you way more power then a header.

I disagree

[Basket Case]

Originally Posted by jflogerzi

Well then you have looked at many dyno's have you The headers do not add much on the supercharger side. Like I said Flex Fuel would be a much wiser choice

Any car running forced induction will benefit from breathing better...fi isnt just about boost levels, it is about flow. Your engine is an air pump, and the better it flows, the more power it makes.

[skye67]

Originally Posted by husker741

I didn't say that there could be things that might be more beneficial. However, if I'm going to do it, I'm going to do it right and spend the money to squeeze all the power out I can. Which is why I would go turbo if anything.

so you wasted your money on a catted header?

[husker741]

Originally Posted by skye67

so you wasted your money on a catted header?

Would you please go to the catted header thread and look at the dynos? Then you will see how beneficial this header is, without a tune. Then come back here and apologize for showing your ignorance.

[skye67]

QUOTE=husker741;1795662]Would you please go to the catted header thread and look at the dynos? Then you will see how beneficial this header is, without a tune. Then come back here and apologize for showing your ignorance.[/QUOTE]

Does a catted header equal the performance gains of a uncatted header?

[husker741]

Originally Posted by skye67

QUOTE=husker741;1795662]Would you please go to the catted header thread and look at the dynos? Then you will see how beneficial this header is, without a tune. Then come back here and apologize for showing your ignorance.
Does a catted header equal the performance gains of a uncatted header?

Well this one has bested most of the uncatted headers out there... So yes. I'm telling you, you don't know what you are talking about until you do the research.

[ET86]

What's the matter with everyone here? It's not that serious, buy what the hell you want. I don't understand why people get butt hurt over what someone else bought.

[s2d4]

Originally Posted by husker741

Well this one has bested most of the uncatted headers out there... So yes. I'm telling you, you don't know what you are talking about until you do the research.

tuned vs tuned or untuned vs untuned?