P&L Header only installed. LOVE IT - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

aznatama · 06-01-2014, 12:19 AM

So after some research, I narrowed my choices to P&L, JDL, and SpeedFactory.

EL Catted Header choices:
JDL - 4-6wks lead time =(
Speedfactory - 10wks lead time =(
P&L - on the shelf ready to ship =)

Received the P&L header this week, it's ceramic coated on the outside AND INSIDE the piping. Schedule 10 piping (thick durable stuff), and v-band connection at the top of the "U" w/ easy access from the engine bay.

Installation ran into a FEW snags... stock bolts on header-> overpipe would not come off. Even after penetrating oil and pb blaster. This car is a 2014 delivered to dealer in Feb '14 w/ ~800 miles on it. The nut ended up getting stuck/seized to the bolt w/ about 1/8" of the bolt still sticking out the end. The result was TWO bolts that were TWISTED OFF due to me using a breaker bar on it. I basically severed the stock bolts by twisting it in half.

Also, lesson learned... Tighten Header to car, then Vband, then overpipe bolts.

Sound is stock on idle and cruising, but gives a nice note when WOT. =)

Only other powertrain mod: panel filter intake.

JimmyMac · 06-01-2014, 01:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aznatama

So after some research, I narrowed my choices to P&L, JDL, and SpeedFactory.

EL Catted Header choices:
JDL - 4-6wks lead time =(
Speedfactory - 10wks lead time =(
J&L - on the shelf ready to ship =)

Received the J&L header this week, it's ceramic coated on the outside AND INSIDE the piping. Schedule 10 piping (thick durable stuff), and v-band connection at the top of the "U" w/ easy access from the engine bay.

Installation ran into a FEW snags... stock bolts on header-> overpipe would not come off. Even after penetrating oil and pb blaster. This car is a 2014 delivered to dealer in Feb '14 w/ ~800 miles on it. The nut ended up getting stuck/seized to the bolt w/ about 1/8" of the bolt still sticking out the end. The result was TWO bolts that were TWISTED OFF due to me using a breaker bar on it. I basically severed the stock bolts by twisting it in half.

Also, lesson learned... Tighten Header to car, then Vband, then overpipe bolts.

Sound is stock on idle and cruising, but gives a nice note when WOT. =)

Only other powertrain mod: panel filter intake.

J&L or P&L.... I'm thinking P&L right?

My P&L has been doing great so far with OFT tune.

aznatama · 06-01-2014, 01:03 AM

Oops, corrected. Yes, P&L. I have the Delicious ECUtek stage 2 tune and it's great.

*KID* · 06-01-2014, 01:41 AM

Any videos?

aznatama · 06-01-2014, 01:45 AM

I'll try to get one tomorrow. But this setup achieves my objective of a quiet power upgrade quite nicely. I think I may need to re tq the header to over pipe bolts though... forgot if I re tightened them after I put the v clamp on.

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aznatama · 06-01-2014, 08:53 PM

Tried getting a video, but my phone mic isn't really picking up the sounds. That being said, it has met my goal of keeping it nice and quiet yet providing a nice increase in power. Butt-Dyno tells me the tq dip is no longer much of an issue. =)

lastexile1987 · 06-02-2014, 01:15 AM

Just out of curiosity, why did you get an el header and not uel?

Asking because I'm looking to get a header in the near future.

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calmtigers · 06-02-2014, 01:29 AM

I just contacted jdl and they said 3 weeks out?

aznatama · 06-02-2014, 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by calmtigers

I just contacted jdl and they said 3 weeks out?

Their ceramic coating is outside only, costs more, thinner piping... I'm sure JDL is a quality product, but I had some time constraints and wanted a fully coated header.

aznatama · 06-02-2014, 01:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lastexile1987

Just out of curiosity, why did you get an el header and not uel?

Asking because I'm looking to get a header in the near future.

Sent from my Nexus 10 using Tapatalk

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BlueThunder · 06-02-2014, 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by aznatama

Tried getting a video, but my phone mic isn't really picking up the sounds. That being said, it has met my goal of keeping it nice and quiet yet providing a nice increase in power. Butt-Dyno tells me the tq dip is no longer much of an issue. =)

please find a way to post a vid. how much louder is the car?

aznatama · 06-02-2014, 11:09 AM

Like I said, the Mic won't pick up the sound. It's not much louder at all inside the car. You can tell when the car is floored, but that's about it. Very minimal sound increase.

It's virtually stock sounding at idle and while cruising at 65.

Now, if only someone made a ti over pipe and front pipe that mates to the stock cat back...

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Roadcone · 06-02-2014, 11:31 AM

i'd like to know it does for power with a stock exhaust... i dont want to make my car all nasty and raspy so i'm afraid to change anything but i want to get rid of the stupid tq dip.

aznatama · 06-02-2014, 11:36 AM

My butt dyno tells me there's a change in performance. But the only way to tell for sure is to compare it with a sock car. What I have is panel filter, header, and delicious ecutek tune stage 2.

I'll need to find a dyno to get a graph made....

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06-01-2014, 12:19 AM	#1
aznatama Senior Member Join Date: May 2014 Drives: 2014 BRZ MT (Sold); 2006 V70R Location: Fairfax Posts: 873 Thanks: 10 Thanked 186 Times in 150 Posts Mentioned: 8 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	P&L Header only installed. LOVE IT So after some research, I narrowed my choices to P&L, JDL, and SpeedFactory. EL Catted Header choices: JDL - 4-6wks lead time =( Speedfactory - 10wks lead time =( P&L - on the shelf ready to ship =) Received the P&L header this week, it's ceramic coated on the outside AND INSIDE the piping. Schedule 10 piping (thick durable stuff), and v-band connection at the top of the "U" w/ easy access from the engine bay. Installation ran into a FEW snags... stock bolts on header-> overpipe would not come off. Even after penetrating oil and pb blaster. This car is a 2014 delivered to dealer in Feb '14 w/ ~800 miles on it. The nut ended up getting stuck/seized to the bolt w/ about 1/8" of the bolt still sticking out the end. The result was TWO bolts that were TWISTED OFF due to me using a breaker bar on it. I basically severed the stock bolts by twisting it in half. Also, lesson learned... Tighten Header to car, then Vband, then overpipe bolts. Sound is stock on idle and cruising, but gives a nice note when WOT. =) Only other powertrain mod: panel filter intake. Last edited by aznatama; 06-01-2014 at 01:02 AM. Reason: typo

06-01-2014, 01:41 AM	#4
KID 86-er Join Date: May 2012 Drives: BRZ tS Location: Laredo, TX Posts: 970 Thanks: 195 Thanked 253 Times in 175 Posts Mentioned: 3 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Any videos? __________________ 2018 Subaru BRZ ts 020/500 - My Daily, work car, and track car

06-01-2014, 01:45 AM	#5
aznatama Senior Member Join Date: May 2014 Drives: 2014 BRZ MT (Sold); 2006 V70R Location: Fairfax Posts: 873 Thanks: 10 Thanked 186 Times in 150 Posts Mentioned: 8 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I'll try to get one tomorrow. But this setup achieves my objective of a quiet power upgrade quite nicely. I think I may need to re tq the header to over pipe bolts though... forgot if I re tightened them after I put the v clamp on. Sent from my D6503 using Tapatalk __________________ '14 BRZ LTD MT DGM

06-02-2014, 11:09 AM	#12
aznatama Senior Member Join Date: May 2014 Drives: 2014 BRZ MT (Sold); 2006 V70R Location: Fairfax Posts: 873 Thanks: 10 Thanked 186 Times in 150 Posts Mentioned: 8 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Like I said, the Mic won't pick up the sound. It's not much louder at all inside the car. You can tell when the car is floored, but that's about it. Very minimal sound increase. It's virtually stock sounding at idle and while cruising at 65. Now, if only someone made a ti over pipe and front pipe that mates to the stock cat back... Sent from my D6503 using Tapatalk __________________ '14 BRZ LTD MT DGM

06-02-2014, 11:31 AM	#13
Roadcone StreetKart Join Date: Jul 2013 Drives: 2014 Scion FR-S Monogram Location: Upstate, SC Posts: 477 Thanks: 43 Thanked 181 Times in 111 Posts Mentioned: 10 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	i'd like to know it does for power with a stock exhaust... i dont want to make my car all nasty and raspy so i'm afraid to change anything but i want to get rid of the stupid tq dip. __________________ TRD\|Verus Engineering\|Titan7\|DEZOD Motorsports\|JDL Auto Design

06-01-2014, 01:03 AM	#3
aznatama Senior Member Join Date: May 2014 Drives: 2014 BRZ MT (Sold); 2006 V70R Location: Fairfax Posts: 873 Thanks: 10 Thanked 186 Times in 150 Posts Mentioned: 8 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Oops, corrected. Yes, P&L. I have the Delicious ECUtek stage 2 tune and it's great.

06-01-2014, 08:53 PM	#6
aznatama Senior Member Join Date: May 2014 Drives: 2014 BRZ MT (Sold); 2006 V70R Location: Fairfax Posts: 873 Thanks: 10 Thanked 186 Times in 150 Posts Mentioned: 8 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Tried getting a video, but my phone mic isn't really picking up the sounds. That being said, it has met my goal of keeping it nice and quiet yet providing a nice increase in power. Butt-Dyno tells me the tq dip is no longer much of an issue. =)

06-02-2014, 01:15 AM	#7
lastexile1987 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Drives: Lightning Red '13 Limited BRZ Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 346 Thanks: 87 Thanked 112 Times in 73 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Just out of curiosity, why did you get an el header and not uel? Asking because I'm looking to get a header in the near future. Sent from my Nexus 10 using Tapatalk

06-02-2014, 01:29 AM	#8
calmtigers Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Drives: 2014 Whiteout TRD FR-S 6MT Location: Fresno / DTLA Posts: 928 Thanks: 628 Thanked 376 Times in 214 Posts Mentioned: 8 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I just contacted jdl and they said 3 weeks out?

06-02-2014, 11:36 AM	#14
aznatama Senior Member Join Date: May 2014 Drives: 2014 BRZ MT (Sold); 2006 V70R Location: Fairfax Posts: 873 Thanks: 10 Thanked 186 Times in 150 Posts Mentioned: 8 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	My butt dyno tells me there's a change in performance. But the only way to tell for sure is to compare it with a sock car. What I have is panel filter, header, and delicious ecutek tune stage 2. I'll need to find a dyno to get a graph made.... Sent from my D6503 using Tapatalk __________________ '14 BRZ LTD MT DGM

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