Form > Function

[aceangel]

[SubieNate]

WTF at that celica. Those rear tires don't even look like the bead is seated?

On Hella-Everyone in my generation (mid 20's) from California, and I mean everyone, associates it with NorCal/the Bay Area. I went to school on the central coast and people who said it were mercilessly teased by the Orange County/LA/San Diego crowd if they used it too much.

and "THE 405" is definitely a SoCal thing. My parents gave me crap about that after I did my first internship in southern California.

Nathan

[TheFunkyMonkey]

Originally Posted by Imrac

I will leave this here: http://www.motoiq.com/magazine_artic...ella-fail.aspx

The best part of that post is the last paragraph:

"Why don't we like cars like this? We are haters. I guess we are just getting old."

[Rayme]

Originally Posted by SkullWorks

Isn't that how it should be?

No.

[infinite012]

Originally Posted by SkullWorks

Now when there is a rash of these cars causing property damage and or death to bystanders, since we live in the less and less free USA, there will be laws passed dictating that you cannot adjust suspension geometry outside a prescribed limit and you cannot fit tires that do not match the factory equipment.

http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp...+cod+46.2-1063

Originally Posted by Virginia Law

46.2-1063. Alteration of suspension system; bumper height limits; raising body above frame rail.

No person shall drive on a public highway any motor vehicle registered as a passenger motor vehicle if it has been modified by alteration of its altitude from the ground to the extent that its bumpers, measured to any point on the lower edge of the main horizontal bumper bar, exclusive of any bumper guards, are not within the range of fourteen inches to twenty-two inches above the ground. Notwithstanding the foregoing provisions of this section, the range of bumper heights for motor vehicles bearing street rod license plates issued pursuant to � 46.2-747 shall be nine to twenty-two inches.

No vehicle shall be modified to cause the vehicle body or chassis to come in contact with the ground, expose the fuel tank to damage from collision, or cause the wheels to come in contact with the body under normal operation. No part of the original suspension system of a motor vehicle shall be disconnected to defeat the safe operation of its suspension system. However, nothing contained in this section shall prevent the installation of heavy duty equipment, including shock absorbers and overload springs. Nothing contained in this section shall prohibit the driving on a public highway of a motor vehicle with normal wear to the suspension system if such normal wear does not adversely affect the control of the vehicle.

No person shall drive on a public highway any motor vehicle registered as a truck if it has been modified by alteration of its altitude from the ground to the extent that its bumpers, measured to any point on the lower edge of the main horizontal bumper bar, exclusive of any bumper guards, do not fall within the limits specified herein for its gross vehicle weight rating category. The front bumper height of trucks whose gross vehicle weight ratings are 4,500 pounds or less shall be no less than 14 inches and no more than 28 inches, and their rear bumper height shall be no less than 14 inches and no more than 28 inches. The front bumper height of trucks whose gross vehicle weight ratings are 4,501 pounds to 7,500 pounds shall be no less than 14 inches and no more than 29 inches, and their rear bumper height shall be no less than 14 inches and no more than 30 inches. The front bumper height of trucks whose gross vehicle weight ratings are 7,501 pounds to 15,000 pounds shall be no less than 14 inches and no more than 30 inches, and their rear bumper height shall be no less than 14 inches and no more than 31 inches. Bumper height limitations contained in this section shall not apply to trucks with gross vehicle weight ratings in excess of 15,000 pounds. For the purpose of this section, "truck" includes pickup and panel trucks, and "gross vehicle weight ratings" means manufacturer's gross vehicle weight ratings established for that vehicle as indicated by a number, plate, sticker, decal, or other device affixed to the vehicle by its manufacturer.

In the absence of bumpers, and in cases where bumper heights have been lowered, height measurements under the foregoing provisions of this section shall be made to the bottom of the frame rail. However, if bumper heights have been raised, height measurements under the foregoing provisions of this section shall be made to the bottom of the main horizontal bumper bar.

No vehicle shall be operated on a public highway if it has been modified by any means so as to raise its body more than three inches, in addition to any manufacturer's spacers and bushings, above the vehicle's frame rail or manufacturer's attachment points on the frame rail.

This section shall not apply to specially designed or modified motor vehicles when driven off the public highways in races and similar events. Such motor vehicles may be lawfully towed on the highways of the Commonwealth.

The Communistwealth of Virginia has been enforcing this law for a while...

[Turbowned]

Originally Posted by SkullWorks

Why? because some A$$hat had to (knowingly or otherwise) create a "look" (that never even got him laid) that creates a safety issue everytime you get in the car.

I'm pretty sure hellaflush never got anyone laid. I mean damn, if it is getting people laid then by all means, keep on truckin'!


I'm pretty sure that's not the case, though.

[whaap]

Originally Posted by SkullWorks

The real problem I have with this...we will call it style for lack of a better term...is that it reflects on the "car culture", realize that the general public doesn't differentiate between honda's and hyundai's and you will start to get the picture, look a bit deeper and realize that the owner has decreased the stability and safety of the car significantly.

Now when there is a rash of these cars causing property damage and or death to bystanders, since we live in the less and less free USA, there will be laws passed dictating that you cannot adjust suspension geometry outside a prescribed limit and you cannot fit tires that do not match the factory equipment.

Why? because some A$$hat had to (knowingly or otherwise) create a "look" (that never even got him laid) that creates a safety issue everytime you get in the car.

So when we all have to buy adjustable arms on the black market and you can't find a tire shop willing to mount tires to rims that aren't factory approved...you can thank these superior beings.


I'm sorry (not really) but anything that decreases the control-ability of a car or the safety of a car (braking distance goes to shit as does lateral acceleration) is STUPID. I will not respect it I will not issue "props" i will not even listen to the idiot try and justify it. DON'T CARE...you put others at risk because YOU want to FEEL/LOOK cool...cool story bro GDIAF....

I guess I look at it differently. It's for sure the owner is not going to track his car. I would be willing to bet that the purpose of this car is to make it a "boulevard cruiser". Performance is the last thing the owner has in mind and I'm sure he's as aware, more than others, what his car is capable of and not capable of.

The guy spent a lot of money to make the car the way he wanted it. That's good enough for me.

[Chewie4299]

Originally Posted by Turbowned

Nothing good can come of this thread...

But just to add fuel to the fire, I'll post this again:



I'm all for lowered cars, but there gets to be a point of excess where it stops being cool, and this is a perfect example.

My biggest concern, as I could give a flying f*** what others do to their cars, is that in a few years people will say FR-S/BRZ and other folks in the conversation will immediately think the same thing that I think when at a car show and someone I'm talking to looks over my shoulder and says, "Well, the civics are here...".

[ST185RC]

I remember a guy on here who lowered his twin, then rear ended a truck 'cause his crashbar was too low to take impact. The car referred to in this thread is even lower, so a sedan might just be a clothesline to the face if he rear ends anyone. Power to him if he's negating all the safety bits to look cool. Might as well remove the crash bar to save weight then.

[ST185RC]

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26840

Bad things happen when your crash bar is below another car's subframe and you hit it.

[Chewie4299]

What I can't believe, yet somehow it seems to be true, is that the folks in this 'movement' actually think people not within said 'movement' think it looks good or cool.

I find it hard to believe that all these hella-fools don't actually know that EVERYONE looks at them and then stifles a laugh if within earshot or lets loose a monster belly laugh if not.

[roddy]

Originally Posted by SportInjected

Delete if this is a re-post, but I just saw this on instagram.

Discuss.

No discussion...just laughter.

[NemesisPrime909]

this BRZ belongs to SLICVIC on the forums.

While I don't like lowered cars I won't criticize him.

bottom line, it's HIS car. so who am I to judge?

[fatoni]

there is an awful lot of hate coming from a forum that constantly compains about how people "dont get" what the frs is about. with all the form over function criticism im surprised to see so many threads about shitty coilovers and flashy strut tower braces