Form > Function

[NorseLegend]

I have no problem with how stanced this car is, in a few cases, however far and few between they are, it can look good. Just I would never lower/camber a car this much.

What I have a problem with here are the Porsche-looking wheels. That's just wrong. Besides, this one looked a lot better with the gold 527s he originally had.

[Mr.Jay]

Originally Posted by switchlanez

In the early 2000s, my friends in NorCal were doing hellaflush where it originated. I watched as it gained momentum with shows popping up nationwide and thought it was cool my friends pioneered a cult movement. At first I thought it only wears your tires a little faster/unevenly and if you can afford to replace, more power to you. Til this happened to my friend an hour away from his home.

Actually the fad originated from Germany where they have a law that your tires can not stick outside of your fenders so guys started running wider wheels with smaller tires and cambering their cars to get the tires to tuck into the wheel wells to maintain legality.

Its been around for wayyy longer than early 2000s

Anyways back to topic

not my thing but I can appreciate the style though I think this one takes it too far where it looks like it would drive like shit

[WRXGuy1]

Not my taste

[switchlanez]

Originally Posted by Mr.Jay

Actually the fad originated from Germany where they have a law that your tires can not stick outside of your fenders so guys started running wider wheels with smaller tires and cambering their cars to get the tires to tuck into the wheel wells to maintain legality.

Thanks, I did not know that and bet it did. I remember seeing Japanese cars cambered before the 2000s also and I'm sure it existed in American shores back then. But the time/place where it transitioned from mere domestic existence [or foreign fad] and adapted to a full on American fad specifically known as "hellaflush" complete with Americanized terminology seems to have been in NorCal. In fact, the term "hella" is Bay Area vernacular used extensively by its residents and hip hop artists E40 and the late Mac Dre since way back.
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[Mr.Jay]

Originally Posted by switchlanez

Thanks, I did not know that and bet it did. I remember seeing Japanese cars cambered before the 2000s also and I'm sure it existed in American shores back then. But the time/place where it transitioned from mere domestic existence [or foreign fad] and adapted to a full on American fad specifically known as "hellaflush" complete with Americanized terminology seems to have been in NorCal. In fact, the term "hella" is Bay Area vernacular used extensively by its residents and hip hop artists E40 and the late Mac Dre since way back.

I gotcha now. wasn't sure what exactly you were stating and just felt like sharing some history on the fad

cali is were all forign treds starts becoming trendy

[SkullWorks]

The real problem I have with this...we will call it style for lack of a better term...is that it reflects on the "car culture", realize that the general public doesn't differentiate between honda's and hyundai's and you will start to get the picture, look a bit deeper and realize that the owner has decreased the stability and safety of the car significantly.

Now when there is a rash of these cars causing property damage and or death to bystanders, since we live in the less and less free USA, there will be laws passed dictating that you cannot adjust suspension geometry outside a prescribed limit and you cannot fit tires that do not match the factory equipment.

Why? because some A$$hat had to (knowingly or otherwise) create a "look" (that never even got him laid) that creates a safety issue everytime you get in the car.

So when we all have to buy adjustable arms on the black market and you can't find a tire shop willing to mount tires to rims that aren't factory approved...you can thank these superior beings.


I'm sorry (not really) but anything that decreases the control-ability of a car or the safety of a car (braking distance goes to shit as does lateral acceleration) is STUPID. I will not respect it I will not issue "props" i will not even listen to the idiot try and justify it. DON'T CARE...you put others at risk because YOU want to FEEL/LOOK cool...cool story bro GDIAF....

[Imrac]

Originally Posted by SkullWorks

The real problem I have with this...we will call it style for lack of a better term...is that it reflects on the "car culture", realize that the general public doesn't differentiate between honda's and hyundai's and you will start to get the picture, look a bit deeper and realize that the owner has decreased the stability and safety of the car significantly.

Now when there is a rash of these cars causing property damage and or death to bystanders, since we live in the less and less free USA, there will be laws passed dictating that you cannot adjust suspension geometry outside a prescribed limit and you cannot fit tires that do not match the factory equipment.

Why? because some A$$hat had to (knowingly or otherwise) create a "look" (that never even got him laid) that creates a safety issue everytime you get in the car.

So when we all have to buy adjustable arms on the black market and you can't find a tire shop willing to mount tires to rims that aren't factory approved...you can thank these superior beings.


I'm sorry (not really) but anything that decreases the control-ability of a car or the safety of a car (braking distance goes to shit as does lateral acceleration) is STUPID. I will not respect it I will not issue "props" i will not even listen to the idiot try and justify it. DON'T CARE...you put others at risk because YOU want to FEEL/LOOK cool...cool story bro GDIAF....

Couldn't have said it better.

I will leave this here: http://www.motoiq.com/magazine_artic...ella-fail.aspx

[Jive Turkey]

what i love is people getting their panties in a twist over things that aren't theirs.

[Rayme]

Originally Posted by SkullWorks

The real problem I have with this...we will call it style for lack of a better term...is that it reflects on the "car culture", realize that the general public doesn't differentiate between honda's and hyundai's and you will start to get the picture, look a bit deeper and realize that the owner has decreased the stability and safety of the car significantly.

Now when there is a rash of these cars causing property damage and or death to bystanders, since we live in the less and less free USA, there will be laws passed dictating that you cannot adjust suspension geometry outside a prescribed limit and you cannot fit tires that do not match the factory equipment.

Why? because some A$$hat had to (knowingly or otherwise) create a "look" (that never even got him laid) that creates a safety issue everytime you get in the car.

So when we all have to buy adjustable arms on the black market and you can't find a tire shop willing to mount tires to rims that aren't factory approved...you can thank these superior beings.


I'm sorry (not really) but anything that decreases the control-ability of a car or the safety of a car (braking distance goes to shit as does lateral acceleration) is STUPID. I will not respect it I will not issue "props" i will not even listen to the idiot try and justify it. DON'T CARE...you put others at risk because YOU want to FEEL/LOOK cool...cool story bro GDIAF....

You just destroyed the jeep culture too!

Actually, from you're perspective, anything that isn't completely safe shouldn't be allowed? No more hot rod culture or low riders ? Or ratted out harleys and everything in between? The problem here is there is no problem, people causing accident are the stupid people and they are into all of the said groups.

[6-Shift]

@SLICVIC care to chime in?

[Jive Turkey]

he doesn't need to chime in, nothing worthy in this thread.

[SkullWorks]

Originally Posted by ottopilot

You just destroyed the jeep culture too!

Actually, from you're perspective, anything that isn't completely safe shouldn't be allowed? No more hot rod culture or low riders ? Or ratted out harleys and everything in between? The problem here is there is no problem, people causing accident are the stupid people and they are into all of the said groups.

Isn't that how it should be?

Are you really arguing in favor of sharing the road with whatever manner of unengineered sh!t heap anybody can get to move under it's own power?


FLASH BACK TO REALITY>>>

I didn't say we should outlaw anything, I simply brought to light the actual ignorance of the mods being highlighted in this thread. If you make modifuckations to your ...whatever... YOU are personally responsible for the damage you could cause to anyone sharing the road with you, fine cool whatever, until someone dies because your tire decided to take the shape originally intended and the bead unseats from your hella stretched fitment loosing all air and all control and you veer into oncoming traffic... but you're cool with that right? because the owner was expressing himself (as an idiot) and freedom of expression...blah blah blah...

Everyone is free to be as stupid as they would like to be, at home behind closed doors, but keep bad ideas out of the realm of public safety.

It's when societies lack common sense to maintain self control that governments HAVE to step in to write laws to protect people from their own ignorance...Keep it up we will be there soon I'm sure....

[switchlanez]

Originally Posted by Subarudood

Did you even have a license 13 years ago? Sounds like you just googled. Actually hella was not popularized nor invented by mac dre RIP nor mr 40 water, but far longer before they existed from the "valley girl" la surfer lingo. Hella was already a term used by the mainstream when they wrote their music. They have been teaching us since grade school same with my older bro not to say hella. I'm Going to be 30 soon.

Anyways the hellaflush style or idiocy whatever you want to call it originates from Japan about 40 years ago.

I've been driving with my license since the late '90s. I never said "hella" originated in the Bay Area. Wouldn't be surprised if it came from the East Coast or Wild West as shorthand for helluva before it ever reached CA. But I went to college/roomed/worked with Bay Areans for 8 years and the hundreds I've befriended strongly identify with "hella" as a disctinct part of their language. Some take pride in it. How frequently they use it and how they adapt uses for it speaks more than where it originated. They use varied pronunciations like "halla" or stall the "L" and say "hellllla" for emphasis. I've heard "hella" growing up in SoCal and in the Midwest where I am now where it usually precedes a noun/adjective or two in a sentence. But Bay Areans use it multiple times preceding almost every noun/adjective in a sentence or alone preceding no word at all... Q: "How much free time you got?" A: "Hella." SoCal and East Coast people use "grip" interchangeably with "hella." Many Bay Areans I've met have no clue what "grip" means because they only used "hella" growing up. Another thing they do is not use "the" to precede freeways. Like I [from SoCal] would say, "I was driving on the 405" but Bay Areans say, "I was driving on 405." It's a small difference most wouldn't notice but the trend becomes apparent when you query people from either region. So how many Bay Areans have you conversed with regularly or can you name any other region of people that identifies with "hella" as strongly?

Anyway, linguistics is besides the point. My point is, regardless of where the fad originated, the American term for it [hellaflush] got named by Bay Areans, not valley girls.
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[dun3]

I see variable, after variable, after variable...... This will go on FOREVER.