Bilstein b6 + Stock springs

[churchx]

And that seems stupid. Just as listing those chains as official options. For all cases where one may actually need snow chains, not just simple winter tires, car low ground clearance even at stock height will prevent to be driveable anyway. For not as deep snow, just at front bumper bottom height, it should go over just fine without chains. I've tried to go in deeper snow .. bulldoser shaped front bumper just digs in, not slides over, and when too much snow accumulates in front, car stops. Be it on chains or not.
Same can be said about stupidity of listing as option towing hook .. and write in user manual, that car is not meant for towing.

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by churchx

And that seems stupid. Just as listing those chains as official options. For all cases where one may actually need snow chains, not just simple winter tires, car low ground clearance even at stock height will prevent to be driveable anyway. For not as deep snow, just at front bumper bottom height, it should go over just fine without chains. I've tried to go in deeper snow .. bulldoser shaped front bumper just digs in, not slides over, and when too much snow accumulates in front, car stops. Be it on chains or not.
Same can be said about stupidity of listing as option towing hook .. and write in user manual, that car is not meant for towing.

In order to sell a car in Germany they are required the ability to fit snow chains on the stock wheels, and make them available. Other European countries have similar regulations.


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[Captain Snooze]

Originally Posted by Gforce

F1 drivers never mention how well their car rotates.

F1 drivers never talk about jerking off either. Your argument is invalid.

[Captain Snooze]

Originally Posted by Gforce

The rear springs were just wrong from the factory.

Jesus on a bicycle. Believe it or not a car has to sell to more people than just yourself.

[Captain Snooze]

Originally Posted by Gforce

Oddly enough, I modified my Subaru to be almost exactly the same as the current new 2017 version of the Subaru BRZ. I did almost all of that before the factory decided to do basically the same things I did.

Uh-oh. It's KoolBRZ

[JMon85]

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[Gforce]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

They're not wrong, the car just sits too high from the factory. The MCA bracket brings the lower control arm more horizontal to adjust the camber curve. Mr. Tada has allegedly said that the ideal ride height for the 86's rear geometry is 20mm lower than stock. This would achieve a similar shift in the rear camber curve. Apparently the height was increased to pass regulations in certain markets.

This is all correct. The Australians have found that the MCA traction brackets improve even lowered cars. I'm pretty sure the stock ride height car benefits most.

The MCA brackets drop the chassis mount for the trailing arm by about 50 mm.

[Gforce]

Originally Posted by norcalpb

I think you'd love increasing the front spring rates along with increasing front camber. I think the people responding to you are correct that 0 degrees of camber is not good for rotation.

Except I find the ride hard enough so I went only with 2017 rear springs. The factory left the original 18 mm front bar in while I have a 20 mm bar. I'm estimating I get about the same front roll resistance as the 2017 factory set up.

I am pondering adding crash bolts to the front struts to add a little front negative camber. Mainly because the front tire wear indicates it could improve front grip. The trouble is my car must drive well on softish winter tires for half the year. The winter tires are wearing evenly front and rear which indicates alignmmet is close to perfect for street use.

I only drive on the street. I can get all the rotation that is safe by using my right foot.

[Gforce]

Originally Posted by Captain Snooze

Jesus on a bicycle. Believe it or not a car has to sell to more people than just yourself.

Which is no doubt why Subaru finally corrected this deficiency for 2017, to improve the ride so that more buyers could be found. The ride on 2013-2016 BRZ was appalling. The 2017 also handles better.

I'm sure you have a point to make ......

[Gforce]

If you compare the ride height of the BRZ to that of the Impreza it is based on you will find that the BRZ actually has more ground clearance. I have out of curiosity done just this measurement.

The BRZ only feels lower because the seat is very low in the car.

[Icecreamtruk]

Originally Posted by lutfy

Excellent observations! Just curious, do you find the added camber at the back (past 2 degrees negative) have ramifications post apex (basically putting the power down). Granted these cars do not have the propensity to overwhelm the rear with on throttle but am curious especially since I am coming from high hp cars where past 2 degree mark you compensate for putting the rubber to the ground.

Am setting this car up for NASA TTE (for this year) so all of this is really hepful.

TIA

Lutfy

It differs in high speed vs low speed corners. At -3.2, in low speed corners you cant go full throttle right away, but you can still do it before finishin the corner. At medium and high speed corners you can stomp on the pedal and you only get a bit more understeer, but no wheelspin at all. This is on 6kg front and 8kg rear spring rates and a slight rake and a small wing (GTC-200) in the rear, so its made on purpose to be loose at low speeds (oversteer) and pushy at high speeds (understeer).

Edit: this is NA with header back + tune on pump gas, so barely over stock power.

[Icecreamtruk]

Back on topic, I love how the only guy who posted a video of actually controlling the car on slides ON THE FUCKING RACETRACK gets called out and yelled for DANGEROUS DRIVING?

What the fuck you people go to the track for? Jerk off on top of your car and then do boulevard promenades on the track straights?

For all of you naysayers, Canadian winter (one of the worse we've had) with -3 degres of camber:



Also, not letting go of the wheel during a drift, do you event know how to drift? Sometimes (depends on angle), letting go of the wheel is the only way to get the rotation of it done fast enough.

[Gforce]

Originally Posted by Icecreamtruk

Back on topic, I love how the only guy who posted a video of actually controlling the car on slides ON THE FUCKING RACETRACK gets called out and yelled for DANGEROUS DRIVING?

What the fuck you people go to the track for? Jerk off on top of your car and then do boulevard promenades on the track straights?

For all of you naysayers, Canadian winter (one of the worse we've had) with -3 degres of camber:

Also, not letting go of the wheel during a drift, do you event know how to drift? Sometimes (depends on angle), letting go of the wheel is the only way to get the rotation of it done fast enough.

Studded tires?

Doesn't matter why you're at the drift angle you say you're at hands stay on the wheel. If you can't move them fast enough you're just not good enough.

As for the nerd thinking he is holding the drift angle what's all that tire noise? That's the traction control? The guy isn't holding a drift angle he's on the steering lockstops and he has no idea where to go from there. I did like his g meter although it looked awfully like an air freshener....probably necessary after the first tank slapper.

You always need your hands on the wheel in order to wind on positive lock to catch the tank slapper before it gets away on you. On ice only an idiot can induce a tank slapper.

I realize ice tracks are for kids, especially in Canada. Call me back when you can do donuts in an awd or even fwd car in a parking lot full of cars.

[Icecreamtruk]

Originally Posted by Gforce

Studded tires?

Doesn't matter why you're at the drift angle you say you're at hands stay on the wheel. If you can't move them fast enough you're just not good enough.

As for the nerd thinking he is holding the drift angle what's all that tire noise? That's the traction control? The guy isn't holding a drift angle he's on the steering lockstops and he has no idea where to go from there. I did like his g meter although it looked awfully like an air freshener....probably necessary after the first tank slapper.

You always need your hands on the wheel in order to wind on positive lock to catch the tank slapper before it gets away on you. On ice only an idiot can induce a tank slapper.

I realize ice tracks are for kids, especially in Canada. Call me back when you can do donuts in an awd or even fwd car in a parking lot full of cars.

Donuts? ...

Im done here.