Why Scion FR-S Sales Have Plunged

[Defuser]

Hah, I get a kick out of the horsepower guys. Bottom line is I love this car, and I love driving it within the general margins of legality and safety.

But but but my [insertrandomcar] is faster!

Good for you! GOOD FOR YOU.



Anyway, back on topic; I REALLY hope they make another generation, because at the rate I rack up miles (WHAT?! I DAILY DRIVE THIS?!) I will need a new one in five years.

I also REALLY hope they don't screw up the second generation by trying to pander to the naysayers, and the "it-needs-[blank]" crew. Stick to the Tada-san vision.

[Sideways&Smiling]

Originally Posted by Shark_Bait88

Lol I know the S2000 actually pulls a lot better than a Twin. I haven't driven one, but I've ridden in several. I was just exaggerating a point.

Just saying. I didn't buy mine for the convertible aspect at all. I drove a friend's S2K and was really impressed with how well it handled, and that's what led me to buying one. Didn't care about the convertible aspect at all. However, after owning it for a year now, I actually enjoy putting the top down on the way home from work every day. You come to appreciate it. I'd still love the car with a fixed hardtop too though.

[Shark_Bait88]

Originally Posted by Sideways&Smiling

Just saying. I didn't buy mine for the convertible aspect at all. I drove a friend's S2K and was really impressed with how well it handled, and that's what led me to buying one. Didn't care about the convertible aspect at all. However, after owning it for a year now, I actually enjoy putting the top down on the way home from work every day. You come to appreciate it. I'd still love the car with a fixed hardtop too though.

An S2000 is still one of my dream cars. Only reason I got the FR-S over one was for the slightly improved practicality, and because I didn't want a convertible as my only car in the Chicago area. I will own one eventually.

[Sideways&Smiling]

Originally Posted by Shark_Bait88

An S2000 is still one of my dream cars. Only reason I got the FR-S over one was for the slightly improved practicality, and because I didn't want a convertible as my only car in the Chicago area. I will own one eventually.

I still want an FR-S too.

And an FD RX7.



lol

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by fatoni

At least as many people who care how cars perform on the primacy. I just think it's silly to make weird scenarios like to make the frs come out ahead.

I totally agree with you on the scenarios but it is the GT86 forum so of course people are going to support it.
With the constant statements about how great 'Stangs/Miatas/WRXs/etc are for right or wrong people get defensive.
So many people love to throw on here how great another car is (Miata?) and then think it is weird when everybody here steps up to defend the car they own and love.
If I went over to the Mustang or Miata forums and made comparisons running down their pride and joys I bet I would get the exact same responses.
There is no disputing that many cars do some things better and just as many do other things worse.
Congrats to somebody like Slowbutfun that didn't like his car and moved on to something that better suits his needs since that is exactly what should happen. What doesn't need to happen is him, and others like him, that move on but still seem to need to keep coming back, beating their chests and screaming ""stangs rule".
The other crowd are the ones that probably have never even sat in one but have loads to say because they read an article once. Sure they have an opinion but it is not based on any actual facts beyond what they read.

[Elkton86er]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Sure they have an opinion but it is not based on any actual facts beyond what they read.

You know what they say about opinions....

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Elkton86er

You know what they say about opinions....

Exactly!!!!!!!
Also know I am beating my head against the wall but I must have found a hidden masochistic tendency that makes me keep doing it anyway!

[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Congrats to somebody like Slowbutfun that didn't like his car and moved on to something that better suits his needs since that is exactly what should happen. What doesn't need to happen is him, and others like him, that move on but still seem to need to keep coming back, beating their chests and screaming ""stangs rule".

Actually the more he does this, the less I'm convinced he likes his Stang.

Most people who are happy with their cars don't waste time going on other car websites to put owners down. Seems like he's trying to convince himself more than anybody perhaps?

[strat61caster]

To the topic.

I cannot fathom why the prices go up on aging vehicles, there is a direct correlation with the MSRP on the FR-S and the sales decline, whether or not it's meaningful is up to you.
In 2012 you could buy a base MT for ~$24,955
In 2013 the price went up to ~$25,255,
No changes to the model just a January 1st 2013 price increase, one that I got stuck with
The 2014 model starts at ~$25,470
The 2015 model starts at ~$25,670

Fuckin' why. Every other product gets cheaper throughout it's production run except cars, it's not like the plant or dock workers have growing pay, Toyota is screwing over their bottom guys like every other corporation allowed to do so.

[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

I cannot fathom why the prices go up on aging vehicles

Inflation?

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

I cannot fathom why the prices go up on aging vehicles...Every other product gets cheaper throughout it's production run except cars, it's not like the plant or dock workers have growing pay, Toyota is screwing over their bottom guys like every other corporation allowed to do so.

Part of the reason is changes in the car. The 2013 and 2015 base models are not the same. They've modified the suspension, changed out the base radio for one with a touch-screen, and added the shark-fin antenna (ones I know of the top of my head). None of that is "free" or probably an even swap since it means more "stuff" in the background including R&D, parts inventory, etc.

[torqdork]

Originally Posted by indesign

I think there's little they can do to blip sales. They can chase hp numbers to make a more impressive stat sheet, but an 86 with more power (and higher price tag) would bring only a small amount of interest of would-be buyers; the r&d wouldn't pay off.

It's too niche. Only a driving enthusiast would truly appreciate the feel of the car. To any normal consumer, the road noise, lack of leg and head room, and basic interior would already turn them away.

Parents buying this car for a child would walk away because it is not practical, lack of space. Guys who value power will look elsewhere. The car does not offer comfort and luxuries that older buyers want. The only people who buy this car are guys who are in tune with driving dynamics or people who buy into the hype and eventually sell the car because it doesn't offer them what they want.

I was once asked by TMS management who knew I'd owned a 10 Series for awhile what changes I'd like to see for future product. I asked for a stripped, de-contented, lightened spec series car like they sell in other markets. They looked at me like I had two heads but were polite enough not to laugh.

I've said it before and it's a dream, but if anything I'd like to see an even more niche special edition but realistically it won't happen in the US with our miles of wide open Interstates poorly suited to an even more track focused car and understanding that the latest RS 1.0 has probably hit the upper limit price wall for this segment. I'd still buy one.

[torqdork]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

To the topic.

I cannot fathom why the prices go up on aging vehicles, there is a direct correlation with the MSRP on the FR-S and the sales decline, whether or not it's meaningful is up to you.
In 2012 you could buy a base MT for ~$24,955
In 2013 the price went up to ~$25,255,
No changes to the model just a January 1st 2013 price increase, one that I got stuck with
The 2014 model starts at ~$25,470
The 2015 model starts at ~$25,670

Fuckin' why. Every other product gets cheaper throughout it's production run except cars, it's not like the plant or dock workers have growing pay, Toyota is screwing over their bottom guys like every other corporation allowed to do so.

Eh, point of order. US production people get consistent annual increases. They don't earn as much as UAW line workers but don't receive taxpayer bailouts either. Also, Toyota has never had a layoff at any US plant.

The Longshoremen's current annual income averages $245,000+ benefits in the West coast ports for what is effectively part-time work. Good job if you can get one, but they're patronage so you prolly can't. This month they're threatening to strike for even higher wages. It's no wonder Toyota is deeply involved with the new Baja port at Punta Colonet.

[rice_classic]

The problem here is that it's all opinion isn't it. That's why the troll's such a troll is that he offers subjectivity disguised as objectivity and in doing so he is waving his stinky butthole around in public.

If I definined my car needs it would be:

Practical, economical, quiet enough for work conversations while on the freeway, basic modern functions (A/C, Cruise, BT, etc) all while being fun enough that I'm never bored while I'm in it (aka 3 pedals and fun to toss around). Very few cars actually hit that mark... very few.