is there a shorter endlink out there? mcs motion control damper - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

toby714 · 10-17-2014, 01:19 AM

Update: problem solved continue to post 12 for solution

My whiteline front endlink is too long even at the shortest setting for my motion control suspenion dampers with stock sway bar. does anyone know of any other alternatives? i found this generic whiteline KLC180-195 that can go 190mm.

i get poppng sounds and i assume its the binding of the endlink

I was also thinking maybe i can modify my whiteline one by making cutting the connecting rod or buy a new connecting rod. the problem is figuring out the pitch for the ball joint

toby714 · 10-17-2014, 02:37 AM

i also found this if anybody wants to be these a try. from awr

toby714 · 10-17-2014, 03:18 AM

ill be hitting up mcmasters in santa fe and see if i can get a shorter threaded tube for my whiteline one.

illmattic · 10-17-2014, 10:36 AM

I just run the KLC 180-195. Seems to be fine and my car is pretty low. The only thing is it pop and creaks and stuff like that. Either way tho the front sway bar is coming off next year.

s13kid989 · 10-17-2014, 03:40 PM

With MCS coil overs I had my car about an inch lower then stock, and with the regular whiteline endlinks the sway bar was to close to the lower arm. I contacted Whiteline and was told to order part number KLC180-195

CSG Mike · 10-17-2014, 04:08 PM

There shouldn't be any pops or creaks. Double check your work.

illmattic · 10-17-2014, 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

There shouldn't be any pops or creaks. Double check your work.

I've checked it multiple times. Its just the way it is.

CSG Mike · 10-17-2014, 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by illmattic

I've checked it multiple times. Its just the way it is.

I'm sorry, but I don't find that acceptable for any high end suspension. I've been working with high end suspension setups for years now, and anytime there's creaks and popping, there is binding or abnormal wear and tear somewhere.

Take a diagnostic step and "paint" all the suspect areas with a chalk pen, drive around the block (replicate the noise), and revisit.

Have the dampers dynoed to verify it is not the damper itself.

We've done multiple MCS/JRZ/SRC/AST setups, and none of them make noise.

toby714 · 10-17-2014, 05:15 PM

im taking out my whiteline endlinks because it's too long and adding a lot of preload to the sway bars. i woll get back to you guys when i sort this out

protpibe · 10-17-2014, 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by toby714

My whiteline front endlink is too long even at the shortest setting for my motion control suspenion dampers with stock sway bar. does anyone know of any other alternatives? i found this generic whiteline KLC180-195 that can go 190mm. my last resort is cutting and welding my factory front endlinks. I plan to track with my setup.

i get poppng sounds and i assume its the binding of the endlink

I was also thinking maybe i can modify my whiteline one by making cutting the connecting rod or buy a new connecting rod. the problem is figuring out the pitch for the ball joint

I have a set of those Whiteline endlinks that I'm not using anymore if you're interested in picking up a used set

Captain Snooze · 10-17-2014, 07:03 PM

I bought some cut to length end links. Saved me a bunch of time.

toby714 · 10-17-2014, 08:33 PM

i knew it was the endlinks and here it is contacting the inner wells.

as you can see in the picture, the whiteline endlinks sit a tad higher

i went ahead and got a milwaukee saw and cut a decent portion off. whoever is considering hacking away at their endlinks should do so at their own risk. i'm not responsible for any injurys or deaths lol

took it for a test drive just earliar and now its fine!

continuecrushing · 10-17-2014, 08:43 PM

plus you got some weight reduction in there too

Wepeel · 10-19-2014, 08:28 PM

What I posted in another thread:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wepeel

The BRZ-specific Whiteline ones that come with their front bar are KLC-179. These are spec'd to range from 200-250mm in length. At their shortest setting, I still had contact issues with the WL front adjustable bar and the control arm on coilovers when running the bar on full stiff (a lot of coils bring the control arm closer to the swaybar). Whiteline has another generic endlink, KLC180-195, that is similar but can go shorter, 190-215mm is the spec, and these work perfectly.

Odi at Feal suspension also includes a shortened, OEM-style endlink with his 441 coilovers. It is non adjustable, and is 190mm in length. Odi does sell these without the coilover kit if you email him.

The Whiteline KLC180-195 or the Feal one would probably work well in your situation.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61472

10-17-2014, 01:19 AM	#1
toby714 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Drives: whiteout Location: garden grove Posts: 376 Thanks: 47 Thanked 40 Times in 33 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	is there a shorter endlink out there? mcs motion control damper Update: problem solved continue to post 12 for solution My whiteline front endlink is too long even at the shortest setting for my motion control suspenion dampers with stock sway bar. does anyone know of any other alternatives? i found this generic whiteline KLC180-195 that can go 190mm. i get poppng sounds and i assume its the binding of the endlink I was also thinking maybe i can modify my whiteline one by making cutting the connecting rod or buy a new connecting rod. the problem is figuring out the pitch for the ball joint Last edited by toby714; 10-17-2014 at 08:40 PM.

10-17-2014, 10:36 AM	#4
illmattic Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Drives: FR-S Location: Green Bay Posts: 106 Thanks: 33 Thanked 46 Times in 26 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I just run the KLC 180-195. Seems to be fine and my car is pretty low. The only thing is it pop and creaks and stuff like that. Either way tho the front sway bar is coming off next year. __________________ -Flickr- IG @illmattic86

10-17-2014, 03:40 PM	#5
s13kid989 Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Drives: 2013 Whiteout Frs Location: Huntington beach, CA Posts: 92 Thanks: 5 Thanked 10 Times in 10 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	With MCS coil overs I had my car about an inch lower then stock, and with the regular whiteline endlinks the sway bar was to close to the lower arm. I contacted Whiteline and was told to order part number KLC180-195 Last edited by s13kid989; 10-17-2014 at 04:04 PM.

10-17-2014, 07:03 PM	#11
Captain Snooze Because compromise ® Join Date: Jan 2012 Drives: Red Herring Location: australia Posts: 7,818 Thanks: 4,050 Thanked 9,551 Times in 4,195 Posts Mentioned: 60 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I bought some cut to length end links. Saved me a bunch of time. Attached Images __________________ My car is completely stock except for all the mods.

Similar Threads
Thread	Thread Starter	Forum	Replies	Last Post
Motion Control Suspension coilovers	xwd	Tracking / Autocross / HPDE / Drifting	27	02-21-2015 11:24 PM
motion control suspension(mcs) spring length	toby714	Suspension \| Chassis \| Brakes -- Sponsored by 949 Racing	0	08-21-2014 12:42 PM
Motion Control Suspension	andrew20195	Suspension \| Chassis \| Brakes -- Sponsored by 949 Racing	4	03-30-2014 11:55 PM
WTB: Shorter exhaust hangers	FrSnake	Want-To-Buy Requests	0	12-30-2013 10:25 PM
Motion Control Suspension Singles---SCCA Stock legal are done!	Sam Strano	Tracking / Autocross / HPDE / Drifting	25	01-16-2013 03:42 PM

10-17-2014, 02:37 AM	#2
toby714 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Drives: whiteout Location: garden grove Posts: 376 Thanks: 47 Thanked 40 Times in 33 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	i also found this if anybody wants to be these a try. from awr

10-17-2014, 03:18 AM	#3
toby714 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Drives: whiteout Location: garden grove Posts: 376 Thanks: 47 Thanked 40 Times in 33 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	ill be hitting up mcmasters in santa fe and see if i can get a shorter threaded tube for my whiteline one.

10-17-2014, 04:08 PM	#6
CSG Mike Join Date: Jul 2012 Drives: S2000 CR Location: Orange County Posts: 14,562 Thanks: 8,942 Thanked 14,211 Times in 6,854 Posts Mentioned: 970 Post(s) Tagged: 14 Thread(s)	There shouldn't be any pops or creaks. Double check your work.

10-17-2014, 05:15 PM	#9
toby714 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Drives: whiteout Location: garden grove Posts: 376 Thanks: 47 Thanked 40 Times in 33 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	im taking out my whiteline endlinks because it's too long and adding a lot of preload to the sway bars. i woll get back to you guys when i sort this out

10-17-2014, 08:33 PM	#12
toby714 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Drives: whiteout Location: garden grove Posts: 376 Thanks: 47 Thanked 40 Times in 33 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	i knew it was the endlinks and here it is contacting the inner wells. as you can see in the picture, the whiteline endlinks sit a tad higher i went ahead and got a milwaukee saw and cut a decent portion off. whoever is considering hacking away at their endlinks should do so at their own risk. i'm not responsible for any injurys or deaths lol took it for a test drive just earliar and now its fine!

10-17-2014, 08:43 PM	#13
continuecrushing Join Date: Mar 2013 Drives: 2013 Firestorm FRS Location: Lake Elsinore, CA Posts: 2,707 Thanks: 1,231 Thanked 2,144 Times in 1,003 Posts Mentioned: 73 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	plus you got some weight reduction in there too

User Name		Remember Me?
Password