Motion Control Suspension Singles---SCCA Stock legal are done!

[Sam Strano]

http://stranoparts.com/partdetails.p...228&ModelID=36

More setups coming. Doubles without canisters, Doubles with canisters and even triples are all going to be available.

If you have any questions, please let me know!

[7thgear]

3000.00 for adjustable dampers?

yaowza, that makes the KW's look like cut springs.

[Sam Strano]

Well that's constructive.... These aren't your run of the mill dampers. And fwiw, I am taking pre-orders on Koni Sports which are $770 a set.

[Sccabrz192]

how much is a set of the OE style spring seats, sans the dampers?

[7thgear]

Originally Posted by Sam Strano

These aren't your run of the mill dampers.

it's a tube in a tube (or a tube in a tube in a tube) that uses oil or gas to create friction to control the relative movements of said tubes at a predetermined rate.

anyway

you're the salesman, sell them to us, what seperates these from Koni, Bilsten, KW or even Ohlin?

are there comperative shock dynos? competetive tests?

i went to their website (which i had to do independent of your website) and all i could gather is that these guys have racing experience... as does pretty much every major brand out there. Not really enough to justify such a radical price point.

what is a run of the mill damper to you and how is this above and beyond?

[apexaddict]

Damnit, Sam. You're appealing heavily to the shock snob in me. I might have to call you and see what the price would be with coilover springs... the Super Shootouts have a NICE MCS contingency, too...

Originally Posted by 7thgear

it's a tube in a tube (or a tube in a tube in a tube) that uses oil or gas to create friction to control the relative movements of said tubes at a predetermined rate.

anyway

you're the salesman, sell them to us, what seperates these from Koni, Bilsten, KW or even Ohlin?

are there comperative shock dynos? competetive tests?

i went to their website (which i had to do independent of your website) and all i could gather is that these guys have racing experience... as does pretty much every major brand out there. Not really enough to justify such a radical price point.

what is a run of the mill damper to you and how is this above and beyond?

From what I understand, MCS is an offshoot of Moton that happened when they were bought out by AST. Jerome van Gool (the "J" in JRZ) left JRZ to form Moton, and now formed MCS.

I have seen several MCS setups on cars up close and they are of the same build quality that you would expect from Moton or JRZ, probably better than Moton and on par with JRZ. I have not seen a dyno plot yet, though, but I don't expect it to differ too greatly from either of those two, especially when you consider that the valving and construction philosophies across the three companies were more or less established by the same person.

[Sam Strano]

Originally Posted by Sccabrz192

how much is a set of the OE style spring seats, sans the dampers?

$350.

[Sam Strano]

Originally Posted by 7thgear

it's a tube in a tube (or a tube in a tube in a tube) that uses oil or gas to create friction to control the relative movements of said tubes at a predetermined rate.

anyway

you're the salesman, sell them to us, what seperates these from Koni, Bilsten, KW or even Ohlin?

are there comperative shock dynos? competetive tests?

i went to their website (which i had to do independent of your website) and all i could gather is that these guys have racing experience... as does pretty much every major brand out there. Not really enough to justify such a radical price point.

what is a run of the mill damper to you and how is this above and beyond?

Well you see that's where you are wrong. I'm not a "salesman". I'm a car guy with proven results who happens to sell parts.

Based on your premise all shocks would be the same, would they not? Being that they are "a tube in a tube (or a tube in a tube in a tube) that uses oil or gas to create friction to control the relative movements of said tubes at a predetermined rate.". I think you are probably more aware of things to think that's the case anymore than all tires of the same size and speed rating are the same because they are round, black and have tread.

MCS is a premium shock, brought to you by the all the guys that used to be Moton before it was sold to AST. The range or adjustment is huge, they are mono-tubes for those that are all giddy about that. They can be had in double and even triple adjustable. Doubles can be had with or without canisters.

Valving: not every company does things the same in terms of valving, and valving is the real trick with dampers. You generally get what you pay for, but not always. I used to sell AST, I don't anymore I had not great results with in competition and frankly build quality. I have a set of KW's on my car now, and they work very well for the price. I am an Ohlins dealer and I love those things, but they are a more premium type product and things like that tend to deal with the small stuff better. Car is just more secure, more planted feeling. On thing about Ohlins, they are double acting single adjustables, which means they alter compression and rebound together. Normally I'm not a fan, but Ohlins does an exceptional job at their damping and makes it work.... though I do find them harder to get really dialed in exactly (compression and rebound do different things you see, wanting more of one doesn't mean you want more of the other).

[simpleisbest]

This is awesome!!!

Single Adjustable? So rebound only, or does compression adjust with rebound?
How much to upgrade to double adjustable?
Can you provide more details on the Stock Class set-up?
Are the perches welded/pressed? Could this be upgraded for height adjustable springs later, or would it need a new body?

Awesome stuff, Sam!!!

[Sam Strano]

No new body will be needed. The perches do on in place of the coil-over perches. Frankly every little detail hasn't been gone over, because in all honesty it didn't much matter to me if the perch was welded or pressed, as long as it was legal.

They are rebound only. They are going to make a double both with and without a remote canister, so they could be converted later. I know the costs on those, but I can't tell you the conversion cost.

[gmookher]

for that money with Ground control I got dual adjustable Konis' front(rears avail soon but I wanted it now, so can upgrade later if needed and sell my barely used ones on ebay or here)eibach coils, a new cnc'd RSM, cnc'd camber plates and cnc'd strutbar, plust a pretty over built lower housing from them.

how can one justify the cost of this? I get that its potentially a stock class solution- is that what you are offering here? will it be selling $1000 below MSRP?

[7thgear]

Originally Posted by gmookher

for that money with Ground control I got dual adjustable Konis' front(rears avail soon but I wanted it now, so can upgrade later if needed and sell my barely used ones on ebay or here)eibach coils, a new cnc'd RSM, cnc'd camber plates and cnc'd strutbar, plust a pretty over built lower housing from them.

how can one justify the cost of this? I get that its potentially a stock class solution- is that what you are offering here? will it be selling $1000 below MSRP?

i myself have never ran on premium level dampers

i have ran on konis

supposedly the difference is huge, but i too am skeptical


how much grip would you gain over Konis and what would the theoretical time decrease on a 60 second autocross course.

[Sam Strano]

You got a cobbled together kit which doesn't have vehicle specific dampers. Just because they fit doesn't mean they are valved for the car. They use generic race inserts and make housings to accommodate.

I'd ask how you justify the cost of what you bought when you could have gotten a properly engineered/valved interdependently adjustable kit like a KW for $2100... The flip side is Koni's, real Koni's made for the car are soon to arrive for $770. Nobody is forcing to spend this money on the MCS's, some folks want them, they are extremely great shocks that have a huge range of damping adjustment in them. They do work better particularly over the shorter, sharper high-piston speed kind of impacts than what you have, or even the proper Koni's.

[7thgear]

stock vs off-shelf vs premium

damper upgrade only

is there date out there that quantifies the net effect on lap times?