(Boosted) FRS vs S2000... Dezoris strikes again.

[cdrazic93]

Originally Posted by CSG David

I'm jealous.

How much do you pay???

[CSG David]

Originally Posted by cdrazic93

How much do you pay???

~$175/mo for BRZ ($1500 deductibles)
~$100/mo for S2k ($250 deductibles)

Le pain!!!

[cdrazic93]

Originally Posted by CSG David

~$175/mo for BRZ ($1500 deductibles)
~$100/mo for S2k ($250 deductibles)

Le pain!!!

Le holy crap. I'd swipe up an s2k for that insurance price in a heartbeat

[thill]

I paid less than $50 a month for my BRZ with a $500 deductible. I pay even less for my WRX, but I am also 43 years old and have had zero claims since the 1990's.

[Pacific Auto]

Originally Posted by CSG David

I can attest to that. 86 is about 2x the S2k insurance. Please stop pwning your cars into walls. I think the amount of maintenance performed on the BRZ has already exceeded my S2k by 4x already...

I am paying $800 a year full coverage for the frs.

You must just be a bad driver....lol

[tahdizzle]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

but a 250whp with a NA twin just isn't possible... at least not without spending well into the 5 figure range.

Right now.

[tahdizzle]

I pay 106 w/ a 500 deductable for my brz.

[CSG David]

Originally Posted by Pacific Auto

I am paying $800 a year full coverage for the frs.

You must just be a bad driver....lol

AAA, Asian, young blood.

[Dezoris]

Originally Posted by CSG David

I'm going to say it again, the 86 is incredibly easy to drive and it's possible this car gives you a false sense of confidence. However, the 86 is also fairly difficult to drive incredibly fast because the last two to three-tenths of the car requires incredible finesse. In that sense, the engineers did a fantastic job building that into the car. It's a rewarding piece of machinery that should be appreciated by all. With the proper settings, the car's limit is very high, but is very difficult to extract without the proper skills. We hope everybody can develop this sense instead of trying to figure out what car is better.

This goes back to the car being more accessible for most drivers yet still rewarding for those who appreciate a drivers car.

The S2000 is not that accessible and is completely driver limited to get the most out of it which is why I believe it's the better sports car and drivers car. Same mentality behind why most people don't like the GTR even though it's a great machine.

Originally Posted by Sportsguy83

My BRZ pushes 550 WHP. I still think the S2K is a better overall car. That Honda motor is engineering art.


The 86 motor has shown to be surprisingly stout, but even with that, there have been numerous failures from stock cars (as can be expected from a new platform) and there are other things still being discovered like random and without warning VVT failures.

That Honda, motor and transmission are leaps and bounds more bulletproof than our cars.

Forget about raising the Rev limiter on our cars, you are just asking for really bad trouble.

I know we all have our opinions/love/hates and I respect them all, its just IMHO, the S2K is a better overall car.

I know HP is not the end all be all, I'm just offering a different point of discussion since the track capabilities of the car were heavily discussed in the video.

Without getting into a massive which is better at higher HP it's become more widely known now if you are running any type forced induction on the FA20 and want to track the car you can forget about higher revs due to oil pressure problems with the motor, valve springs aside. It gets scary at 6800RPM after 15 minutes of flat out track driving to see pressures down into the low 40s.

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

I think it comes down to which car has the right combination of traits for your needs.

For me, having a convertible was a huge inconvenience. Half the tracks/clubs around here don't allow convertibles, and those that do require a roll bar, which limits street usage. Honda never made a coupe S2000, so that made the choice easy.



Then there are minor things I like about the FR-S, like its foldable rear seats, gauge cluster, factory square tire setup, etc.

If there was one thing I could take from the S2000, it would be the transmission. Hands down the best shifter I've ever used. The FR-S transmission is pretty good compared to most, but can't compare to the one in the S2000.

But anyway two great cars. It's amazing that the S2000 is as competitive as it is, given how long ago it was released. Shows how good Honda was in its prime. But I suspect the answer to which is the "better" car simply comes down to what your needs are. I will say, if Honda had made an S2000 coupe, I would probably have bought one.

I cut out so much banter in the video because after 20 minutes it drags.
One thing we left in was Turbowski running out of the car after the top drops. But we cut out a discussion on how he hates convertibles, the idea of them.

Also he went on saying he does not like that the car is a mut (FRS/86/BRZ). Plenty of thrown together parts from Subaru and ideas from Toyota.
Too much of the suspension is borrowed from other cars and it's a far less cohesive car than the S2000 which seemed to know exactly what it wanted to be.

The 86 is a more practical package all the way around from storage, interior space etc. It's just not that complete sports car/driver car experience the S2000 is. But as mentioned, both these cars have some big trade offs, if only you could merge some of their strengths.

But instead like in my case bought them both.

[JasperNoone]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Here's the issue: You can't safely raise the redline on the twins. You can on the S2k. The twin's valvesprings have a seated weight of 35 lbs. Push 10 psi, and now you're looking at 25. The S2k's is 87 lbs.

Do you really wanna try 8000RPM with that?

The Twin's heads do not flow. They just DO NOT flow. The weak valvesprings are an attempt to reduce drivetrain losses... the twins nose over on torque because the engine is being choked. The S2k, on the other hand, doesn't have that choke point, and will continue to make more power as you increase RPMs.

S2K has very high VE whereas Subarus typically have low VE.

Originally Posted by CSG David

~$175/mo for BRZ ($1500 deductibles)
~$100/mo for S2k ($250 deductibles)

Le pain!!!

Got DAM!!

Originally Posted by Pacific Auto

I am paying $800 a year full coverage for the frs.

You must just be a bad driver....lol

As do I, though I attribute a lot of his higher cost to his zipcode (and possibly being under 25?).

[CSG David]

Originally Posted by JasperNoone

S2K has very high VE whereas Subarus typically have low VE.


Got DAM!!


As do I, though I attribute a lot of his higher cost to his zipcode (and possibly being under 25?).

I r older, but still no clue what's keeping it uber high.

[Pacific Auto]

I am 22

Its called AAA family plan....

[tahdizzle]

Mmm hmmm....

[mit_peid]

Originally Posted by cdrazic93

Insurance:

Boosted 86>>>>>>>>boosted s2k

My insurance doesn't even know my 86 is boosted, but my insurance is rather cheap (7.5k annual miles, ~$88/month, $500 deductible, $100k/$300k coverage, 35 y.o., clean record).

Maybe I should tell my insurance? How much do you think it'd go up by?