(Boosted) FRS vs S2000... Dezoris strikes again.

[tahdizzle]

I love my brz. The more I drive it, the more it makes me want to be a better driver.
Because the car is slow, but its not the car's fault. Its mine.

While it would be easy to just slap on some forced induction and make up for my lack of skill, I'm not entirely sure I'd get the same kind of pure feeling in a boosted twin.

[glamcem]

when I met with @CSG David (when he was in Seattle).. he and I had a chance to talk about the same exact topic, I asked his opinions on both platforms Honda obviously did a great job on S2K and it's really sad they didn't come up with another sports car for a while

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by tahdizzle

I love my brz. The more I drive it, the more it makes me want to be a better driver.
Because the car is slow, but its not the car's fault. Its mine.

While it would be easy to just slap on some forced induction and make up for my lack of skill, I'm not entirely sure I'd get the same kind of pure feeling in a boosted twin.

Why not?

I'd take a boosted s2k over a NA one, just how I'd take a boosted twin over a NA twin.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by Jaden

There is a WHOLE lot more to being a better car than being able to rev higher or achieve higher power levels for a given boost level.

I personally wouldn't care if the s2000 performed 10 times as good and was half the price, to me it's ugly as sin, the lines are way too straight and boring...and I don't like convertibles...

I don't believe that it does though. Regardless of what you have to do to achieve the same power levels at the same power levels I believe the twin to be prettier, better and more fun to drive.

So to say the S2K is better is a misnomer based on power levels at a given boost and being able to rev higher.

I can build a gsxr motor to make 300hp and mount it where the rear seats are and rev to 12000 rpm but that wouldn't make it a better car...(yes it would decrease the integrity of the chassis and I would need to install a roll cage that i could mount the motor to etc... that's besides the point).

ok maybe it would make it better but not because I can now rev to 12000...

Opinions are like assholes, we all have them and most of the time they stink so let's just agree to disagree and go from there.

Jaden

Have you actually driven an S2000 as hard as your own car?

[tahdizzle]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Why not?

I'd take a boosted s2k over a NA one, just how I'd take a boosted twin over a NA twin.

If I were to go FI (Still throwing that idea around) It would have to be a very linear power delivery.

I'd take a 250 whp NA twin over a 350 whp FI twin.

Its not that I don't enjoy power, but I really want to be able to drive at 10/10 with what I have available and Not upset the balance. That is my priority right now.

[glamcem]

Originally Posted by tahdizzle

If I were to go FI (Still throwing that idea around) It would have to be a very linear power delivery.

I'd take a 250 whp NA twin over a 350 whp FI twin.

Its not that I don't enjoy power, but I really want to be able to drive at 10/10 with what I have available and Not upset the balance. That is my priority right now.

I think the part of the reason why we don't have a linear power delivery is because our cars (or all the newer cars in general) have DBW so I am not sure whether or not that is the case with FI S2K but parasitic loss is inevitable

[Dezoris]

Interesting thread thanks for the invite.
I have a lot of quoting to do now.

[CSG David]

Originally Posted by Jaden

There is a WHOLE lot more to being a better car than being able to rev higher or achieve higher power levels for a given boost level.

I personally wouldn't care if the s2000 performed 10 times as good and was half the price, to me it's ugly as sin, the lines are way too straight and boring...and I don't like convertibles...

I don't believe that it does though. Regardless of what you have to do to achieve the same power levels at the same power levels I believe the twin to be prettier, better and more fun to drive.

So to say the S2K is better is a misnomer based on power levels at a given boost and being able to rev higher.

I can build a gsxr motor to make 300hp and mount it where the rear seats are and rev to 12000 rpm but that wouldn't make it a better car...(yes it would decrease the integrity of the chassis and I would need to install a roll cage that i could mount the motor to etc... that's besides the point).

ok maybe it would make it better but not because I can now rev to 12000...

Opinions are like assholes, we all have them and most of the time they stink so let's just agree to disagree and go from there.

Jaden

I think that opinion turned into what you want and desire vs. an actual 90's engineering feat that still pwns on the track and has epic reliability with minimal modifications...and yes...a little chat with Toyota engineers is eye opening as well.

[cdrazic93]

Originally Posted by mit_peid

boosted S2000 > boosted GT86 > S2000 > GT86 > Ford Pinto

Insurance:

Boosted 86>>>>>>>>boosted s2k

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by tahdizzle

If I were to go FI (Still throwing that idea around) It would have to be a very linear power delivery.

I'd take a 250 whp NA twin over a 350 whp FI twin.

Its not that I don't enjoy power, but I really want to be able to drive at 10/10 with what I have available and Not upset the balance. That is my priority right now.

but a 250whp with a NA twin just isn't possible... at least not without spending well into the 5 figure range.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by glamcem

I think the part of the reason why we don't have a linear power delivery is because our cars (or all the newer cars in general) have DBW so I am not sure whether or not that is the case with FI S2K but parasitic loss is inevitable

resonance in the exhaust piping, and catalytic converters... UEL headers kill some of that resonance at the cost of scavenging.

[CSG David]

Originally Posted by cdrazic93

Insurance:

Boosted 86>>>>>>>>boosted s2k

I can attest to that. 86 is about 2x the S2k insurance. Please stop pwning your cars into walls. I think the amount of maintenance performed on the BRZ has already exceeded my S2k by 4x already...

[cdrazic93]

Originally Posted by CSG David

I can attest to that. 86 is about 2x the S2k insurance. Please stop pwning your cars into walls. I think the amount of maintenance performed on the BRZ has already exceeded my S2k by 4x already...

It's weird though, Before I bought my car I priced out the insurance costs for all the sports cars I was looking at, including an s2k. The 86 came in at $109 a month and the s2k came in at over $300

[CSG David]

Originally Posted by cdrazic93

It's weird though, Before I bought my car I priced out the insurance costs for all the sports cars I was looking at, including an s2k. The 86 came in at $109 a month and the s2k came in at over $300

I'm jealous.