Any active 2JZ swap build threads?

[SmsAlSuwaidi]

Originally Posted by Gusto

You dont need 25k for a 2jz what you need is around 10k. And that with the cost of labor and engine itself. If you want the best job done, and are in socal, hit up Driftmotion. If you know anything about 1jz, and 2jz they are the best do it and we are lucky to have them in socal. Im not affiliated with them at all, but a couple weeks ago they installed there single turbo kit on my cousins mk4. Did a really good job. They quoted me 10k for install of everything and the tune. Est was about 1month and that if they get everything right. Might be doing this in the near future.

I went to FSR and sorry but thats impossible to fit a 2j with a v160 for 10k

Lets say you get a engine and tranny for 5k which is Impossible. You get a cheap aluminum shaft for 500 and relocate the steering rack and whats affiliated for 500 ( impossible ) engine mounts with gear box are 500. Are you going to run the stock twin ts ? Ok. A custom harness to incorporate the frs and 2jz ( 1000 ? No even close i think 2grand + ) and who wont add a standalone to the equation if you are doing all that )

What about your fuel setup ?
Custom radiator ?
Custom front mount ?
Pulling out your motor
Pulling gearbox
Putting the 2j
Massaging your gearbox to fit the v160

Should i keep on going ?

If its too good to be true, it is too good to be true.




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[Drift&Drag]

Originally Posted by Gusto

You don't need 25k for a 2jz what you need is around 10k. They quoted me 10k for install of everything and the tune. Est was about 1month and that if they get everything right. Might be doing this in the near future.

Not to scare you away because I would love to see more 2JZ 86s but unfortunately you cannot even drop a stock 2JZ + a V160 w/ install + tune for 10k.

These tasks should also be considered when dropping in a "used" engine because you do not know how many miles it actually has on it. It is always wise to perform preventive maintenance such as the timing belt, water pump, check the seals/gaskets, verify the compression, spark plugs, lubricants, and plenty more. While you are in there you might as well upgrade to a billet tensioner, upgrade the oil pump, and also a welded timing gear. You still have to calculate in the custom drive shaft, fuel setup, suspension, stand alone, custom harness, custom intercooler, custom exhaust and the list goes on...

Conservatively speaking, the ETA on a project such as this will take longer than 1 month. I can foresee it taking at least 3 months to a few years depending on your budget, your goals, how fast you round up the parts, and most importantly, how dedicated your performance shop is for this project. Again, I am not trying to rain on your parade but instead giving you first-hand personal feedback from my project and experience.

[Nissota]

chiming in... if your buying a full swap be sure to get the 2JZ GTE JDM and not the VVTi....with Diff and v160 the 2JZ GTE is harder to find but in my opinion is worth its weight in GOLD! @Drift&Drag is on the money..... sounds like he's been thru the swap or Power package in the past..

Also once the 2J is making power you'll start breaking stuff... don't forget upgraded brakes, better tires, and other safety items...

[AZ BRZ]

Originally Posted by SmsAlSuwaidi

Lol , you need 25k for a 2j swap and you can push 600whp on pump all day and 800on e85 all day everyday, good luck doing that with a fa20 engine, and no its not only OMG i have a 2j thing, people use them cause they work and have a solid background on them. Ekanoos 2j gt86 was corner balanced and showed every boxter fan boy that it did not screw up balance as much people talk about.
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To answer OP , you are looking at anything from 25 to 35K. I asked 2 people who did the swap and thats the price range they told me. I also went to the best supra/fabbin shop and thats the price i got expect that they gave me a very very long down time.



You can pm me if you would like more information

^^^ He is exactly right. I did this swap. I spent $25k on PARTS alone. I have the receipts for anyone that disagrees. This doesn't include labor or fab work needed or tune. I was also quoted 10k and 2 months. I dropped my car off in Aug. and by April the car still wasn't finished. I ended up pulling it from the shop and doing it myself. I think it could be done in 3 months if you have a motivated shop or do it yourself. Wiring, machining the engine, custom driveshaft, manifold, welding and fab, fuel system, etc. are all things that can take much longer than expected. Once I tune my car and have a dyno sheet, I will post pics and a build thread. You can follow me on Instagram for pics and info at Subaru_BR2JZ.


-Jimmy

[SomeoneWhoIsntMe]

It's funny... I just bought a BRZ at an insurance auction and I've been researching this swap. From looking on the forums, you'd never think that it's possible, except somehow there's at least half dozen JZ swapped FRS' in various stages of completion being used for drifting. I guess they must not have asked on here first.

Anyway, if you think you need a JZA80 2JZGTE + V160, you're smoking crack. The V160 sucks ass. Dudes have gone through the trouble of swapping them into cressidas etc, then realised it's not at all worth it and sold them to go back to an R154. It's huge, heavy, complex, difficult to work on, and totally overkill for, well, just about everything ever. You can do a 'murikan road race dogbox like a jerico or a g-force for damn near the same price.

Seems like most of these dudes are using front sump motors, which is lucky because I've got a JZX100 chaser/cresta/markii 1JZ-GTE VVTi. I got my motor for $1400 shipped, and it's pretty damn clean.

As for the trans, it's actually kind of nice how the gt86 uses a crazy long shifter extension, because the cheap transmissions you can swap onto JZ's both have real long shifter housings as well. Solstice and Z33 trans are both good options, I've got a brand new solstice trans I got for a few hundred bucks sitting around so I'm going to use that.

with a VVTi 1J, it's pretty easy to crack 300whp just with a boost controller and the exhaust and intercooler you need to make to put the motor in the car, and 400whp is doable on the new tomei stock location turbo, poncams, a turbo outlet, the aforementioned mods, and basically any kind of EMS, including simple piggybacks. With an ebay big single manifold with extra bracing added and a diesel turbo of your choice, the sky's the limit. it's possible to convert honda AEM boxes to run these motors, in fact I believe ryan teurck's 2JZ FRS is running such a setup. megasquirt has also been done. before you jump on me over going through "all that trouble" for "only" 300whp, remember, it's a BRZ, how much horsepower do you need? I'm sure stock turbo it's going to be nutty, the swap might add a few pounds but it also damn near doubles the wheel horsepower.

look at the other communities doing cool JZ stuff. it's only mk4 supra guys that need a $50,000 budget to get a swap done.

[slicktop]

You can crack 300whp on the stock block very easily. You can crack 400whp and in some cases, 500whp. All ok the stock block.

The guys running a 2JZ swap are running a minimum of 700+. I'll be the lowest power 2J swap until I get my rear end sorted. That's still going to be in the 5-600whp range. Sure, you can do the same with the FA20 or even with the inferior 1J, but that's not the point.

And the V160 being weak? I don't know what to say about that.

The swap is doable, as would be any engine, but it's a costly swap. It's performance per dollar is on par with its circa 2000 dyno chart.

[SomeoneWhoIsntMe]

I didn't say weak, I said it sucks. A dude I know from the cressida scene put it pretty well:

people were all about that shit in the IS300 game a few years back, all the dyno queens had them. then people who actually drove their cars started trying it and figured out that it sucks. the ratio's kinda suck, even with the 3.2x rear end, and the shifting isn't smooth, you can get about 4-5 r154's at retail with marlin crawler parts for the cost of one, and its so fucking big and heavy that you have to really fucking work to get it in there. plus shifter mods. if i had one laying around, fuck yeah i'd run it. its the last trans you'd ever have to buy, but for the cost, i'd rather swap r154's out when they break.

if you've got $5k to spend on a trans, alright, but for 99% of people looking at the swap, particularly in a lightweight car, there's better, more affordable options out there

and I also never said "stock block", I said with the particular motor I'm using, 300whp happens with damn near stock everything, 400whp is attainable without much work, and then when you start getting into it you can crack 500 then start thinking about going 1.5j.

edit: and the inferior 1j? that actually kind of is the point, JZ engines aren't some exclusive club with a $20,000 entrance fee. 1jz, 1.5jz, and NA-T are all perfectly viable options, in fact they may or may not be better options depending on your budget and horsepower goals. I mean, come on, tuerck's FRS was built with an NA bottom end, and you can bet your ass he's not running a V160.

[Jason@DSG]

Originally Posted by SmsAlSuwaidi

A 2jz + v160 about 8grand in clean and immaculate condition as the 160s hate to be rebuilt
Modifying the tranny mounts
A proper fuel system 3k
A standalone can be 2k , custom harness , and incorporating the supras ecu and the 86s (total of 3) can be costly
Custom radiator
Custom intercooler
Custom driveshaft from dds 1.xk
Extensive modification to the steering rack
Single turbo swap (done properly and maybe a custom manifold )

Labour




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This man knows!

Build the FA20 engine and slap a proper T3 kit on there, same result and everything will have much better fitment and WAY less work to get it done. The balance will be better and so much less time wasted! I can't even imagine the labor cost. It would be a cool project no doubt but there's so much involved that it gives me the heebie jeebies thinking about it (after doing many builds, I STRIVE to have the easiest way possible to get the most out of what I'm doing -- no more 1 year builds, f that)

Good luck with whatever you choose to do, I'll send you a case of beer pro-bono if you do a swap, you'll need it.

Happy Friday

[SmsAlSuwaidi]

Originally Posted by Jason@DSG

This man knows!



Build the FA20 engine and slap a proper T3 kit on there, same result and everything will have much better fitment and WAY less work to get it done. The balance will be better and so much less time wasted! I can't even imagine the labor cost. It would be a cool project no doubt but there's so much involved that it gives me the heebie jeebies thinking about it (after doing many builds, I STRIVE to have the easiest way possible to get the most out of what I'm doing -- no more 1 year builds, f that)



Good luck with whatever you choose to do, I'll send you a case of beer pro-bono if you do a swap, you'll need it.



Happy Friday

1 year ago i was begging shops to do me a 2j swap without costing me over 20gs

Here i am now with over 450whp off a bolt on kit, and a e85 tune. Im so happy that i didn't swap my motor since i dont know if i can even use any more power without being a full street race car. I spin r888 like stock tires


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[slicktop]

Originally Posted by SomeoneWhoIsntMe

I didn't say weak, I said it sucks. A dude I know from the cressida scene put it pretty well:



if you've got $5k to spend on a trans, alright, but for 99% of people looking at the swap, particularly in a lightweight car, there's better, more affordable options out there

and I also never said "stock block", I said with the particular motor I'm using, 300whp happens with damn near stock everything, 400whp is attainable without much work, and then when you start getting into it you can crack 500 then start thinking about going 1.5j.

edit: and the inferior 1j? that actually kind of is the point, JZ engines aren't some exclusive club with a $20,000 entrance fee. 1jz, 1.5jz, and NA-T are all perfectly viable options, in fact they may or may not be better options depending on your budget and horsepower goals. I mean, come on, tuerck's FRS was built with an NA bottom end, and you can bet your ass he's not running a V160.

I was saying stock in regards to the FA20.

I chose the v160 because I wanted to stick with one trans and not have to worry about it grenading, or at least have much more peace of mind.

I still have much more stuff to buy but it's all being chosen when the motor goes in because it's all going to have to be custom sizing and routing.

[SomeoneWhoIsntMe]

ah right, that makes more sense now.

I guess my point is just that the cost of this swap is hardly prohibitive if you go about it in a reasonable manner, although it does have some drawbacks that mean it's not for everyone.

I do believe that this swap will get more popular as time goes on and the prices of ft86's fall. Remember, there's tons of second and third owners waiting to get their hands on these cars once they're able to. The more swap info that's out there for them, the better.

The swap makes sense for me because I got a smoking deal on the shell (literally, it's the car visconti tuning burned down) and I had the engine/trans laying around waiting to go into another, less capable car. I'm sure as more and more deals on broken 86's pop up, JZ's will make sense to other people as well.

[Guff]

Idk if this was posted:

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60407

http://www.supraforums.com/forum/sho...nother-2JZ-FRS

The first one is a guy in Dallas who is getting ready to drop the motor in, and the second one is still assembling the motor, I believe.

[slicktop]

I'm the second guy. The machine shop had the bottom end still left to do, that was two weeks ago. I just moved into a new house so it works out for me in the meantime.

I still need:

Clutch/flywheel
Intercooler + piping
Radiator + hoses
Driveshaft
Wiring harness (just picked up DMC crimpers a few days ago)
Exhaust setup w/ wastegate actuated dump
EMS (still in the air ATM)
Fuel pump + lines
Misc things

Off the top of my head. Not much left.

[SomeoneWhoIsntMe]

For the harness / EMS hit up http://panicwire.com

The website is awful in an ironic way, but don't let that put you off. He can set you up with a super nice milspec harness and an AEM EMS series 2 box to run it.