207whp… NA Full Bolt On E85

[bfrank1972]

Originally Posted by bakerr6

It does work to an extent. I having more issues not with it cranking, but with an erratic idle.

Ah ok, thanks and keep us posted!

[Shiv@Openflash]

Hi guys,
On the dyno right now running 91oct. Same OFT+OFH combo (with modified intake duct too). So far so good. Results will be posted up later tonight

[mike_ekim1024]

Is there any future in water-injection? From what I've read, it's a cheap way to keep an engine cooler, allowing you to run leaner AFRs. I assume 1) it's more complicated - people need to fill up with gasoline and water. 2) It's less safe since it can harm the engine if something goes wrong. What about somehow encapsulating water and gasoline molecules, so that only one liquid is needed. Some kind of carbon sphere.. yeah, I'm going way out there with some pop-sci theories

[dave77]

I hope in a few years it will be way cheaper/easier to get 200whp out of these cars.

[bakerr6]

Originally Posted by mike_ekim1024

Is there any future in water-injection? From what I've read, it's a cheap way to keep an engine cooler, allowing you to run leaner AFRs. I assume 1) it's more complicated - people need to fill up with gasoline and water. 2) It's less safe since it can harm the engine if something goes wrong. What about somehow encapsulating water and gasoline molecules, so that only one liquid is needed. Some kind of carbon sphere.. yeah, I'm going way out there with some pop-sci theories

You cant une for meth injection, and it's actually safer than you would think. I integrated the washer indicator on my mustang to show when the level was low (I deleted the washer bottle, so this was an easy replacement haha).

[Robert@Openflash]

Methanol injection can be very safe and effective if you control it properly and using the "proper motorsports" hardware!!!

On a NA car you are not going to see the type of gain you want compare to FI cars. Also due to the atomization factor of the meth injection, at this time E85 will have a better and more consistent result.

If you have access to e85 I strongly recommend you try out our e85 stage2 map. The top end is pretty nice!!

Originally Posted by mike_ekim1024

Is there any future in water-injection? From what I've read, it's a cheap way to keep an engine cooler, allowing you to run leaner AFRs. I assume 1) it's more complicated - people need to fill up with gasoline and water. 2) It's less safe since it can harm the engine if something goes wrong. What about somehow encapsulating water and gasoline molecules, so that only one liquid is needed. Some kind of carbon sphere.. yeah, I'm going way out there with some pop-sci theories

[Robert@Openflash]

I think we have created a very affordable 200whp package.

OFT $495
Drop in Filter $50 *Modified intake snorkel 20min of elbow grease
OFH $515 gasket kit $50
Tank of E85 $45~$50
Load OTS E85 stage2 map - free

Result: For around $1100 bucks you get 200whp and a smiley face, not bad right??!!! I don't know of any other combination of mods you can do to this car and yield you this kind of power gains.

Originally Posted by dave77

I hope in a few years it will be way cheaper/easier to get 200whp out of these cars.

[dave77]

Ok LOL, good point. Sounds awesome.

Originally Posted by Robert@vishnu

I think we have created a very affordable 200whp package.

OFT $495
Drop in Filter $50 *Modified intake snorkel 20min of elbow grease
OFH $515 gasket kit $50
Tank of E85 $45~$50
Load OTS E85 stage2 map - free

Result: For around $1100 bucks you get 200whp and a smiley face, not bad right??!!! I don't know of any other combination of mods you can do to this car and yield you this kind of power gains.

[steve99]

Originally Posted by Robert@vishnu

I think we have created a very affordable 200whp package.

OFT $495
Drop in Filter $50 *Modified intake snorkel 20min of elbow grease
OFH $515 gasket kit $50
Tank of E85 $45~$50
Load OTS E85 stage2 map - free

Result: For around $1100 bucks you get 200whp and a smiley face, not bad right??!!! I don't know of any other combination of mods you can do to this car and yield you this kind of power gains.

Do you have any photos/diagram of modified snorkel ?
Read some posts saying it was cut and then expanded with heat gun. Not sure where it was cut.

thanks

[FrsDuke]

Originally Posted by Robert@vishnu

I think we have created a very affordable 200whp package.

OFT $495
Drop in Filter $50 *Modified intake snorkel 20min of elbow grease
OFH $515 gasket kit $50
Tank of E85 $45~$50
Load OTS E85 stage2 map - free

Result: For around $1100 bucks you get 200whp and a smiley face, not bad right??!!! I don't know of any other combination of mods you can do to this car and yield you this kind of power gains.

What about the resonator under the bend? Removed? Sound tube? Removed? I'd also like another look at shiv's snorkel.

[mike_ekim1024]

Originally Posted by Robert@vishnu

I think we have created a very affordable 200whp package.

OFT $495
Drop in Filter $50 *Modified intake snorkel 20min of elbow grease
OFH $515 gasket kit $50
Tank of E85 $45~$50
Load OTS E85 stage2 map - free

Result: For around $1100 bucks you get 200whp and a smiley face, not bad right??!!! I don't know of any other combination of mods you can do to this car and yield you this kind of power gains.

Oh, I thought you had to do a little more than that to run E85. How does it affect rubber seals, fuel pumps, etc. over time? I've read that manufacturers account for higher ethanol content, but 85 is a lot. Last, what about very cold morning starts (doesn't apply to me, but others). I've heard the maps can be programmed to compensate for this?

Some of these may be "rumors", but I'd like to hear it from someone directly.

[Shiv@Openflash]

Originally Posted by mike_ekim1024

Oh, I thought you had to do a little more than that to run E85. How does it affect rubber seals, fuel pumps, etc. over time? I've read that manufacturers account for higher ethanol content, but 85 is a lot. Last, what about very cold morning starts (doesn't apply to me, but others). I've heard the maps can be programmed to compensate for this?

Some of these may be "rumors", but I'd like to hear it from someone directly.

There is absolutely no need for another other fuel system upgrades. Cold start in some conditions and with some high ethanol formulations can require a few cranks. But this can all be tweaked with in the maps. In the next release, I'll be added some of the changes that people have had luck with. Running E85 is really no more troublesome than running pump aside from some lumpiness for a few seconds after starting the car first thing in the AM. The extra power and overall smoothness is certainly worth it, IMHO.

Cheers,
shiv

[Shiv@Openflash]

Originally Posted by FrsDuke

What about the resonator under the bend? Removed? Sound tube? Removed? I'd also like another look at shiv's snorkel.

I'll dig up some pics tomorrow and post them up (finally)!

shiv

[nelsmar]

Originally Posted by mike_ekim1024

Oh, I thought you had to do a little more than that to run E85. How does it affect rubber seals, fuel pumps, etc. over time? I've read that manufacturers account for higher ethanol content, but 85 is a lot. Last, what about very cold morning starts (doesn't apply to me, but others). I've heard the maps can be programmed to compensate for this?

Some of these may be "rumors", but I'd like to hear it from someone directly.

Most people will come to defend E85. I am an absolute hardcore E85 fanboy. I push it to everyone I can. And I daily drive on it. However due to the young age of this platform there is no telling how E85 will handle on this platform long term. Check back in 1-2 years. Our sleeves can rust, our lines can corrode, and our filters are paper based. Other subaru's have had long term testing including submerged lines for extended periods of time for testing and showed fine. So hopefully it is the same with this car.

And when it comes to cold start, I have had no problem tuning on E85 for cold start in my region. However "cold" in my region is 30-50F. So I can't say much in regards to the more snow covered regions.

You are more than welcome to PM me if you have any questions. I am unbiased and have put ~8k miles in the last 3 months of my FRS on E85 (while it was running).

Recap: E85 is awesome. It may cause damage but time will tell. But from my point of view? Enjoy the living hell out of it!!