We need to start implementing this here... - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

dem00n · 01-24-2014, 02:21 PM

...all of a sudden I thought I was inside a Best Motoring video! After sticking a plastic container onto my windscreen with a sucker, they added one bottle’s worth of water. This would be the ultimate test in smoothness, getting around the handling course without spilling a drop. This has to probably be the hardest thing I’ve had to do in a car, I kid you not!

The water was swinging around like crazy but it never spilled over the very edge of the container. After the WTF look had cleared from my face I had lots of chances to get some practice in. Initially it was tough: I always had to keep an eye on what the water is doing and literally recalibrate my entire driving style and the way in which I used the controls. It took some time, and quite a lot of water, but I slowly began to get the hang of it. The key is about progression: smooth doesn’t mean you have to be slow, what you have to do it rethink HOW you apply your inputs and the interaction between them. Let me elaborate…
Say you want to enter a corner as fast as you can; if you just throw your car inside you will upset its balance and there goes the water, or more generally, your smoothness. You have to be decisive about the way you apply lock, progressive with how you feed it and at the same time your smoothness also needs to stretch to how you back off your brakes as you turn in. Jump off the middle pedal and you could upset the car and its momentum. Same with the throttle: smoothness is the key, maybe less so with a turbocharged engine which is a little less instant to respond, but you get the idea. Start playing with this stuff and like me, you will discover just how aggressively you can drive your car by keeping the way you interact with each of the controls smooth, and in this particular case translating to less spilled water. It was then, after practising for a bit, that it hit me – this exercise was nothing short of genius! It was like a real-time smoothness indicator!

The part i like the most...
Spill some water however and time would be added. For every 10 cc of water you dropped, two seconds would be added onto your time. This really got me nervous as there was just so much to concentrate on!

Link: http://www.speedhunters.com/2014/01/...ess-is-the-key

ZionsWrath · 01-24-2014, 02:23 PM

WTF, cheaters, it was raining...

...or did they spill that much water?

dem00n · 01-24-2014, 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZionsWrath

WTF, cheaters, it was raining...

...or did they spill that much water?

I think it stopped before they start.

I'm looking into buying one of these.

I've heard of an app that acts the same way, you put it on your windshield inside the car and it gives you a digital glass full of water, if you spill any then you're simply driving too rough. To much braking, turning, throttle, etc...

PoorMansRacing · 01-24-2014, 03:01 PM

I like that idea better than balancing a ball on the hood.

7thgear · 01-24-2014, 04:15 PM

random thoughts

1. this is awesome
2. the cup would need a rock-hard mount, the one in the photo looks like it would bob around.. maybe not a lot, but enough to matter
3. punishing in seconds for spilled water is too harsh, but i think any series could easly have a "Cup Championship" where the goal is to spill as little as possible, recordings would be made by a designated person at the end of a particpiant's run
4. this is awesome

RCL · 01-25-2014, 12:38 AM

idk how realistic that is around a real racetrack trying to get real results where you're no penalized by spilling water. lol

Bushman7140 · 01-25-2014, 04:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dem00n

I think it stopped before they start.

I'm looking into buying one of these.

I've heard of an app that acts the same way, you put it on your windshield inside the car and it gives you a digital glass full of water, if you spill any then you're simply driving too rough. To much braking, turning, throttle, etc...

It's actually called "a glass of water" and it's put out by Toyota of Europe.. Haven't tested it at all,'just found it after reading your post.

BRZPDX · 01-25-2014, 05:08 AM

Just buy a packet of tofu, cut open the top cover, place it in a pan. set it on the back seat. dont let the water spill.

fatoni · 01-25-2014, 05:08 AM

i get the concept but im sure there are tracks where the lateral transitions are more than enough to get water out of the bowl regardless of how smooth you are. just get a data logger. that way you will have tons more info while not getting kicked of the track for fluid spills

jbailey8748 · 01-26-2014, 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BRZPDX

Just buy a packet of tofu, cut open the top cover, place it in a pan. set it on the back seat. dont let the water spill.

i may be the only other person who gets this reference

mrk1 · 01-26-2014, 05:54 PM

I like the tofu reference. And I think this definetly a good exercise. Don't think it would translate to a track but it's just something very simple. I could see this being a blast with some friends.

FRSfan111 · 01-26-2014, 11:42 PM

Where on a hachi forum. In sure most people get the initial d references.

Captain Snooze · 01-27-2014, 01:39 AM

CSG Mike posted that here:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...t=speedhunters

sosick · 01-31-2014, 01:56 AM

Initial d anyone?

01-24-2014, 02:21 PM	#1
dem00n Member of the year - 2016 Join Date: Jul 2012 Drives: Scion FRS Location: New York Posts: 3,575 Thanks: 788 Thanked 2,427 Times in 1,111 Posts Mentioned: 23 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	We need to start implementing this here... ...all of a sudden I thought I was inside a Best Motoring video! After sticking a plastic container onto my windscreen with a sucker, they added one bottle’s worth of water. This would be the ultimate test in smoothness, getting around the handling course without spilling a drop. This has to probably be the hardest thing I’ve had to do in a car, I kid you not! The water was swinging around like crazy but it never spilled over the very edge of the container. After the WTF look had cleared from my face I had lots of chances to get some practice in. Initially it was tough: I always had to keep an eye on what the water is doing and literally recalibrate my entire driving style and the way in which I used the controls. It took some time, and quite a lot of water, but I slowly began to get the hang of it. The key is about progression: smooth doesn’t mean you have to be slow, what you have to do it rethink HOW you apply your inputs and the interaction between them. Let me elaborate… Say you want to enter a corner as fast as you can; if you just throw your car inside you will upset its balance and there goes the water, or more generally, your smoothness. You have to be decisive about the way you apply lock, progressive with how you feed it and at the same time your smoothness also needs to stretch to how you back off your brakes as you turn in. Jump off the middle pedal and you could upset the car and its momentum. Same with the throttle: smoothness is the key, maybe less so with a turbocharged engine which is a little less instant to respond, but you get the idea. Start playing with this stuff and like me, you will discover just how aggressively you can drive your car by keeping the way you interact with each of the controls smooth, and in this particular case translating to less spilled water. It was then, after practising for a bit, that it hit me – this exercise was nothing short of genius! It was like a real-time smoothness indicator! The part i like the most... Spill some water however and time would be added. For every 10 cc of water you dropped, two seconds would be added onto your time. This really got me nervous as there was just so much to concentrate on! Link: http://www.speedhunters.com/2014/01/...ess-is-the-key __________________ Friends don't let friends Plastidip

01-24-2014, 04:15 PM	#5
7thgear i'm sorry, what? Join Date: Jan 2012 Drives: Canada Location: I rock a beat harder than you can beat it with rocks Posts: 4,399 Thanks: 357 Thanked 2,506 Times in 1,268 Posts Mentioned: 40 Post(s) Tagged: 3 Thread(s)	random thoughts 1. this is awesome 2. the cup would need a rock-hard mount, the one in the photo looks like it would bob around.. maybe not a lot, but enough to matter 3. punishing in seconds for spilled water is too harsh, but i think any series could easly have a "Cup Championship" where the goal is to spill as little as possible, recordings would be made by a designated person at the end of a particpiant's run 4. this is awesome __________________ don't you think if I was wrong, I'd know it?

01-26-2014, 05:54 PM	#11
mrk1 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Drives: Sterling BRZ Ltd Location: New England Posts: 1,702 Thanks: 403 Thanked 1,389 Times in 671 Posts Mentioned: 20 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	I like the tofu reference. And I think this definetly a good exercise. Don't think it would translate to a track but it's just something very simple. I could see this being a blast with some friends. __________________ The Build Thread GT28RS - eBoost2 - 3.91 Final Drive - Supra LSD

01-26-2014, 11:42 PM	#12
FRSfan111 Sideways and smiling! Join Date: Jan 2012 Drives: First 86 FRS 5/8/2012 (second US) Location: Oregon Posts: 941 Thanks: 17 Thanked 273 Times in 179 Posts Mentioned: 15 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Where on a hachi forum. In sure most people get the initial d references. __________________ My build http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...08#post1283608

01-27-2014, 01:39 AM	#13
Captain Snooze Because compromise ® Join Date: Jan 2012 Drives: Red Herring Location: australia Posts: 7,685 Thanks: 3,967 Thanked 9,235 Times in 4,098 Posts Mentioned: 60 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	CSG Mike posted that here: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...t=speedhunters __________________ My car is completely stock except for all the mods.

01-24-2014, 02:23 PM	#2
ZionsWrath Thanks Join Date: Apr 2013 Drives: BRZ Location: NY Posts: 4,163 Thanks: 5,989 Thanked 3,100 Times in 1,498 Posts Mentioned: 38 Post(s) Tagged: 3 Thread(s)	WTF, cheaters, it was raining... ...or did they spill that much water?

01-24-2014, 03:01 PM	#4
PoorMansRacing Anorexic Join Date: Oct 2013 Drives: 2003 Honda S2000 Suzuka Blue Location: Washington, DC Posts: 341 Thanks: 598 Thanked 175 Times in 95 Posts Mentioned: 8 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I like that idea better than balancing a ball on the hood.

01-25-2014, 12:38 AM	#6
RCL Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Drives: subaru BRZ Location: buford, ga Posts: 15 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	idk how realistic that is around a real racetrack trying to get real results where you're no penalized by spilling water. lol

01-25-2014, 05:08 AM	#9
fatoni Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Drives: miata, mazdaspeed protege, ls430 Location: socal Posts: 4,416 Thanks: 599 Thanked 1,442 Times in 787 Posts Mentioned: 28 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	i get the concept but im sure there are tracks where the lateral transitions are more than enough to get water out of the bowl regardless of how smooth you are. just get a data logger. that way you will have tons more info while not getting kicked of the track for fluid spills

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