Spencer Fabrication T5 Trans Swap - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

phrosty · 11-04-2016, 01:42 AM

Spencer just posted this up, looks like an interesting option for all you boosted guys... http://www.spencerfabricationcompany...ion-conversion

FRS Justin · 11-04-2016, 02:00 AM

I have been talking with Mark about this project since the idea was put on paper, and look forward to it being released... I love how he uses the automatic transmission bell housing. No more ugly cut and hack job bell housings.. Rest assured it will be simple bolt in unit once he gets it all put together.. Thanks Mark for letting this info out, it was killing me not to be able to talk about it!!!! I think I did pretty good keeping a secret for close to a year......

armstrom · 11-04-2016, 03:09 PM

It will all come down to how he prices the kit. A brand new T5 with high torque capacity can be had for well under $2k. I wouldn't presume to price his product for him but if he can keep the whole package price in the sub $3500 range then he should do quite well with these.

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Teseo · 11-04-2016, 03:33 PM

I like the idea "plug-n-play". I would rather pay a little more and do the installation myself than pay someone to do a "hack" job

GsxrMe · 11-05-2016, 04:19 PM

With the idea trans without any gear work is good for 300ftlbs rated for a 3300lbs car, so 400ftlbs 500hp brz frs thats only 2700lbs should be safe as hell. You guy see 2nd gears top speed?? I think i read 74mph....

spitfire481 · 11-07-2016, 01:51 PM

if i still had an fa20 in the car and didn't have a trans solution, id buy this no doubt. nice work

Dipstik-sportech · 11-08-2016, 09:39 PM

Much like other domestic trans swaps this one will have the same issues. Improper gear ratio gaps for a lower torque engine and the inability to shift at higher rpm. I'd sooner get a par gearset than run a t5

Icecreamtruk · 11-09-2016, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Dipstik-sportech

Much like other domestic trans swaps this one will have the same issues. Improper gear ratio gaps for a lower torque engine and the inability to shift at higher rpm. I'd sooner get a par gearset than run a t5

What do you mean by inability to shift at higher rpm, if you dont mind explaining it a bit more? Thanks.

Dipstik-sportech · 11-09-2016, 10:06 PM

Sure. Domestic engines generally don't rev as high as out small 4cyl cars do. Because of that the synchro design in the trans is usually designed to work better at a lower rpm. What most people find is you won't be able to get it into gear because the synchro can't keep up with the rpm and it will eventually wear them out. Not to mention everything inside is heavier so there is more inertia withing the gearset. Faceplating the trans fixes the issue but it's costly and not really street friendly. I know in my buddies Mustang with a t5 if you rev it over 6000rpm you'll never get it into the next gear no matter how hard you yank the shifter lol

mrk1 · 11-09-2016, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Icecreamtruk

What do you mean by inability to shift at higher rpm, if you dont mind explaining it a bit more? Thanks.

Shifting at high rpms is a chore for syncros and most T5's are pretty old tech in this department. The T5Z has carbon syncros.

Dipstik-sportech · 11-10-2016, 02:25 AM

I'm actually surprised they chose to use a t5. There are much better and more up to date options that aren't much more expensive.

mrk1 · 11-13-2016, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Dipstik-sportech

I'm actually surprised they chose to use a t5. There are much better and more up to date options that aren't much more expensive.

From Facebook, little more explanation.

"All right, we are going to spill the beans. Here is our transmission solution for the BRZ/FRS. What we are developing for the 86 is a different approach to the task of a trans swap. Rather then pick a trans first and figure out how to adapt it, we made the adapter first. What we started with is the OEM bell housing from the automatic transmission. Since its an OEM part that means straight bolt up, no cutting or welding to make the starter work. We engineered a sturdy 6061 Aluminum adapter plate that bolts to the bell housing and allows the installation of the gear box. This may seem like a simple and obvious idea but hey sometimes the best ones are. To meet the needs of our shop car we went with an upgraded Ford T5z transmission. However since we designed our adapter as a blank slate it is wide open to future development with even more transmissions. "

Drakiv · 11-13-2016, 07:41 PM

I wouldn't mind a TKO 600 in the future if my PAR set ever gives out.

11-04-2016, 01:42 AM	#1
phrosty Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Drives: 2013 FR-S Location: Seattle Posts: 806 Thanks: 202 Thanked 321 Times in 199 Posts Mentioned: 18 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	Spencer Fabrication T5 Trans Swap Spencer just posted this up, looks like an interesting option for all you boosted guys... http://www.spencerfabricationcompany...ion-conversion __________________ 2013 Whiteout 6AT FR-S \| Perrin Inlet Tube + 2.75" CAI \| OpenFlash Header \| P&L Catback \| 4.88 Final Drive \| Dialed in OFT 2.0x Stage 2 E85 \| 18x8 Enkei Raijin + 225/40 Michelin Pilot Super Sport \| 17x7 Stock + 215/45 Michelin X-Ice Xi-2

11-04-2016, 02:00 AM	#2
FRS Justin Senior Member Join Date: May 2014 Drives: 2013 Asphalt FRS Location: San Antonio Posts: 994 Thanks: 693 Thanked 695 Times in 417 Posts Mentioned: 22 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	I have been talking with Mark about this project since the idea was put on paper, and look forward to it being released... I love how he uses the automatic transmission bell housing. No more ugly cut and hack job bell housings.. Rest assured it will be simple bolt in unit once he gets it all put together.. Thanks Mark for letting this info out, it was killing me not to be able to talk about it!!!! I think I did pretty good keeping a secret for close to a year...... __________________ Instagram FT86PROJECT9S Facebook FT86PROJECT9S 710whp

11-05-2016, 04:19 PM	#5
GsxrMe Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Drives: Late 2014 Subaru BRZ Location: Cape Coral, FL Posts: 557 Thanks: 20 Thanked 184 Times in 139 Posts Mentioned: 5 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	With the idea trans without any gear work is good for 300ftlbs rated for a 3300lbs car, so 400ftlbs 500hp brz frs thats only 2700lbs should be safe as hell. You guy see 2nd gears top speed?? I think i read 74mph.... __________________ 2014 Subaru BRZ FBM Turbokit: GTX3076R - ECUTEK HRI FlexFuel tune - FBM 3" Turboback Exhaust - 550cc Injectors - Walbro 485 Fuel Pump - 4bar Map Sensor - FBM Oil Pan - ACT SB7-XTSS - AMSOIL all fluids - Forester XT Oil Cooler - Cusco engine, trans mounts - Whiteline rear differential bushings - Perrin shifter bushing - Firehawk 235/45/17 - AEM Failsafe

11-07-2016, 01:51 PM	#6
spitfire481 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Drives: 2JZ FRS Location: Pure Automotive Performance Posts: 1,378 Thanks: 97 Thanked 1,354 Times in 621 Posts Mentioned: 27 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	if i still had an fa20 in the car and didn't have a trans solution, id buy this no doubt. nice work __________________ Pure Automotive Performance MoTeC Build Thread @spitfire481

11-08-2016, 09:39 PM	#7
Dipstik-sportech Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Drives: 2013 BRZ satin white pearl sportech Location: Thunder Bay Ontario Canada Posts: 1,813 Thanks: 842 Thanked 911 Times in 576 Posts Mentioned: 43 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Much like other domestic trans swaps this one will have the same issues. Improper gear ratio gaps for a lower torque engine and the inability to shift at higher rpm. I'd sooner get a par gearset than run a t5 __________________ 2013 SWP BRZ sportech. 11.11sec@129.01mph, 511whp on e70. FullBlown base kit, FullBlown built 9.5:1 engine, GTX3076R GEN2 turbo, 1700cc Bosch injectors, FullBlown flex fuel kit, FullBlown radiator and oil cooler, FullBlown custom 3" dual exit exhaust, act xtreme clutch, whiteline diff and subframe inserts, BC Racing coilovers, hotchkiss 18mm rear sway, is300 3.73 differential ... Never finished

11-04-2016, 03:09 PM	#3
armstrom Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Drives: none Location: nowhere Posts: 225 Thanks: 39 Thanked 124 Times in 67 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	It will all come down to how he prices the kit. A brand new T5 with high torque capacity can be had for well under $2k. I wouldn't presume to price his product for him but if he can keep the whole package price in the sub $3500 range then he should do quite well with these. Sent from my XT1095 using Tapatalk

11-04-2016, 03:33 PM	#4
Teseo Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Drives: frs Location: Gunsai Posts: 4,952 Thanks: 7,466 Thanked 2,980 Times in 1,802 Posts Mentioned: 23 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	I like the idea "plug-n-play". I would rather pay a little more and do the installation myself than pay someone to do a "hack" job

11-09-2016, 10:06 PM	#9
Dipstik-sportech Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Drives: 2013 BRZ satin white pearl sportech Location: Thunder Bay Ontario Canada Posts: 1,813 Thanks: 842 Thanked 911 Times in 576 Posts Mentioned: 43 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Sure. Domestic engines generally don't rev as high as out small 4cyl cars do. Because of that the synchro design in the trans is usually designed to work better at a lower rpm. What most people find is you won't be able to get it into gear because the synchro can't keep up with the rpm and it will eventually wear them out. Not to mention everything inside is heavier so there is more inertia withing the gearset. Faceplating the trans fixes the issue but it's costly and not really street friendly. I know in my buddies Mustang with a t5 if you rev it over 6000rpm you'll never get it into the next gear no matter how hard you yank the shifter lol __________________ 2013 SWP BRZ sportech. 11.11sec@129.01mph, 511whp on e70. FullBlown base kit, FullBlown built 9.5:1 engine, GTX3076R GEN2 turbo, 1700cc Bosch injectors, FullBlown flex fuel kit, FullBlown radiator and oil cooler, FullBlown custom 3" dual exit exhaust, act xtreme clutch, whiteline diff and subframe inserts, BC Racing coilovers, hotchkiss 18mm rear sway, is300 3.73 differential ... Never finished

11-10-2016, 02:25 AM	#11
Dipstik-sportech Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Drives: 2013 BRZ satin white pearl sportech Location: Thunder Bay Ontario Canada Posts: 1,813 Thanks: 842 Thanked 911 Times in 576 Posts Mentioned: 43 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I'm actually surprised they chose to use a t5. There are much better and more up to date options that aren't much more expensive. __________________ 2013 SWP BRZ sportech. 11.11sec@129.01mph, 511whp on e70. FullBlown base kit, FullBlown built 9.5:1 engine, GTX3076R GEN2 turbo, 1700cc Bosch injectors, FullBlown flex fuel kit, FullBlown radiator and oil cooler, FullBlown custom 3" dual exit exhaust, act xtreme clutch, whiteline diff and subframe inserts, BC Racing coilovers, hotchkiss 18mm rear sway, is300 3.73 differential ... Never finished

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