Why Scion FR-S Sales Have Plunged

[Braces]

Originally Posted by Mr.Impreza

I honestly don't see them making this car much longer considering if you look at the used market, there is so many 2013 for sale currently....most will buy used i assume if they still want one and not many would buy brand new.

Also ... this is the year that all the 2013s come off their leases. That will also add to the supply.

[DantKR]

Man, if I were to win the lotto. GT-R and Corvette would be my first two cars I would buy.

[Atticus808]

Originally Posted by Celadrielas

We're staying local to here in AZ. But, because we're having a Halloween theme wedding (our favorite holiday), we've opted to keep things cheaper on cost for the incidentals for a wedding and her parents are paying for us to have our wedding in a castle (Theashleycastle.com). They've agreed to let us use fog machines and such to smoke up the place and make it look creepy as sin.

what we would have spent on a "normal" venue is being spent on allowing us to have a creepy theme to enjoy our favorite holiday.

THAT LOOKS FREAKIN AWESOME!
wow!

i remember a cake boss episode where they made a zombie cake, looked pretty neat.
I also assume you watched that halloween haunted house competition on tv? Fright Fight i think it was called.

[Speed2th]

2014 sales of vehicles :

Porsche Cayman -3417
Porsche 911 variants - 10433
7504 BRZ + 14,062 FRS = 21566
Genesis coupe + sedan - 29,992 , i cannot find figure for coupe alone (1514 coupes sold in Canada)
VW GTI - 17362
S2000 sale in 2002 (peak year ) -9684, worst year 2009 - 795 units only
Mustang variants - 82,635
Camaro - 86,297
Miata - 4745
370Z - 7199
source: http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/

[EAGLE5]

Those US or world numbers? They're higher for the twins than I thought if they're US numbers. The car is an absolute hard on joy.

Originally Posted by Speed2th

2014 sales of vehicles :

Porsche Cayman -3417
Porsche 911 variants - 10433
7504 BRZ + 14,062 FRS = 21566
Genesis coupe + sedan - 29,992 , i cannot find figure for coupe alone (1514 coupes sold in Canada)
VW GTI - 17362
S2000 sale in 2002 (peak year ) -9684, worst year 2009 - 795 units only
Mustang variants - 82,635
Camaro - 86,297
Miata - 4745
370Z - 7199
source: http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/

[Speed2th]

Originally Posted by jsimon7777

Those US or world numbers? They're higher for the twins than I thought if they're US numbers. The car is an absolute hard on joy.

US figure only

[Rampage]

Originally Posted by Speed2th

2014 sales of vehicles :

Porsche Cayman -3417
Porsche 911 variants - 10433
7504 BRZ + 14,062 FRS = 21566
Genesis coupe + sedan - 29,992 , i cannot find figure for coupe alone (1514 coupes sold in Canada)
VW GTI - 17362
S2000 sale in 2002 (peak year ) -9684, worst year 2009 - 795 units only
Mustang variants - 82,635
Camaro - 86,297
Miata - 4745
370Z - 7199
source: http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/

Yep, Miata, s2000 and 350Z/370Z were produced for years with less volume than the twins. Mazda, Honda and Nissan can only dream about the type of success that Toyota is currently enjoying with FR-S and GT86 but Toyota is a HIGH volume carmaker. They want big numbers on all their models so it would not be a big surprise if they let the model drop after 6 years like they did the Celica GTS and the MR2 Spyder. You can also see the same pattern with the previous generations of MR2 and the Supra.

They want Corolla and Camry numbers because that is where they make their money. All the talk about injecting driving excitement and fun into their car line goes out the window when the initial sales numbers tail off.

[DarkSunrise]

This is beginning to feel like part 2 of the "Everyone Is Wrong About Subaru BRZ And Scion FR-S Sales" thread lol.

[funwheeldrive]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Said it a hundred times already but here I go again!
If they are going to "let it die" it was already in the business plan. The same as if they keep it around.
This is not a "normal" production car that they will try to save or let go based on sales. They planned the life span of these cars before the first one ever hit the road and it would take massive shifts in numbers (either up or down) to make them change that plan.

I'm not disagreeing with you, but I still think it will be interesting what Toyota has in store for the next several years.

Originally Posted by strat61caster

I would love to see an example of a vehicle that had over 100,000 units made that is worth more than 2x what it cost brand new when accounting for inflation.

I don't think the car will ever be worth more than it was new, but I think it will retain its value well over time. Sure they made a lot of 86s, but a lot of people want a stock car, or close to it. That will be rare in 10 years.

[tahdizzle]

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

This is beginning to feel like part 2 of the "Everyone Is Wrong About Subaru BRZ And Scion FR-S Sales" thread lol.

I prefer to call it: "Twin Sales: Part Deux"

[Celadrielas]

Originally Posted by Atticus808

THAT LOOKS FREAKIN AWESOME!
wow!

i remember a cake boss episode where they made a zombie cake, looked pretty neat.
I also assume you watched that halloween haunted house competition on tv? Fright Fight i think it was called.

Honestly no. haha I don't watch too much TV. But my Fiance's a boss when it comes to pumpkin carving which, in part, gave us the idea and being that we love the hell out of Halloween, we've decided to have a haunted wedding to celebrate the "union of our souls".

[Koa]

Originally Posted by torqdork

I've said this before, but the twins were welfare for Fuji Heavy Industries who were on the ropes financially going back to when Toyota bought in to the Indiana plant to produce Camry. Nothing new, they have a legacy list of changing owners.

It worked, Subaru got some breathing room and debt relief to invest in future product while keeping JDM production going and Toyota supported a B-list player to avoid heat from the Japanese government record of forcing auto industry consolidation to bail out the weak players. Toyota got a halo car that will provide a ready market for FT-1 sales.

Subie is doing so well that they'll be resuming Indiana production and Toyota will move Camry production back to Kentucky next year. That's when we'll know whether the sales plan will be modified to proceed with a 2nd Gen or continue on with special editions and phase out like MR2 Spyder.

torqdork with the knowledge and eye Excellent analysis sir

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

This is beginning to feel like part 2 of the "Everyone Is Wrong About Subaru BRZ And Scion FR-S Sales" thread lol.

Go back far enough and you will find threads just like this before the car was even released!

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

I'm not disagreeing with you, but I still think it will be interesting what Toyota has in store for the next several years.
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There are probably thousands that know from Toyota marketing right down to senior management from the place that makes the floor mats! The problem is if they leak anything they are out of a job and know it!
Hell, I am just a mid/upper manager for a couple of parts plants and I know the plans for some cars that most won't know about or see for 3 more years yet!