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[No Limit Motorsport]

Originally Posted by SmsAlSuwaidi

A 400whp frs would obviously from a roll

A stock GT-R will probably still smoke a 400whp FRS. With basic upgrades and a tune it will eat it for breakfast all day. It is just an unfortunate reality.

Our car with 295whp is dead even with a "stage 2" (intake, turboback, tune) STI from a roll.

[jamesm]

this is more of a question of style. do you favor premature optimization for the sake of preventing possible damages IF the engine does fail? or, to put it better, is knowing that it's less likely to fail (though still entirely possible, built or not) and that this may save you money in the future worth the money it'll cost to build the motor? if so, build it, if not, you're better off validating the need before investing. it's personal preference.

[King Tut]

Originally Posted by killerkid08

Yea. Grabbed it used.

Where from and how much? Shortblock or longblock?

[SillySaxon]

Originally Posted by King Tut

This a thread about deciding whether or not it is worth pulling a stock engine out to build it. This isn't a thread for a n00b to ask how much boost is safe. Only n00bs ask questions like that because there is no correct answer as there are way too many variables. Go read every thread in the Forced Induction section like I have, and then tell me that my posts are unhelpful garbage. I like Honda-Tech by the way.

This is a thread about whether or not an engine needs to be built or stock for boost.
I asked a question about whether or not an engine needs to be built or stock for boost.

There is a correct answer, i'm certain you can't run 20psi on stock without it blowing up. I'm not retarded, i'm just completely unfamiliar with these subaru engines and don't know how strong they are.
Everyone has to start learning somewhere. You can be a cock about it or you can just be helpful.
Of course i'm sure you were never a noob and you were born knowing this so i guess that gives you a right to act like an asshat on the internet.

[SmsAlSuwaidi]

Originally Posted by No Limit Motorsport

A stock GT-R will probably still smoke a 400whp FRS. With basic upgrades and a tune it will eat it for breakfast all day. It is just an unfortunate reality.

Our car with 295whp is dead even with a "stage 2" (intake, turboback, tune) STI from a roll.

09 and 10 gtrs are sloths with the STI I mentioned with bellow 400 to the wheels and full weight we manged to hold and beat gtrs by less than half a car
Now I assume with the weight diffrence of the STI and Frs you could hold on with the 13"s which I could pull away from in the 458

I had a gtr 09 with an hks 570 kit which is considered crappy now but I do agree as soon as I mess around with a gtr it flies.

Moral of the story is I really hate gtrs because I'm a supra fan boy

[killerkid08]

Originally Posted by King Tut

Where from and how much? Shortblock or longblock?

A long block. Grabbed in the for sale section here on the forum. There is another you can get on eBay, and work with the guy to get it for 3400 or so.

[King Tut]

Originally Posted by SillySaxon

This is a thread about whether or not an engine needs to be built or stock for boost.
I asked a question about whether or not an engine needs to be built or stock for boost.

Wrong.

Originally Posted by SillySaxon

There is a correct answer, i'm certain you can't run 20psi on stock without it blowing up. I'm not retarded, i'm just completely unfamiliar with these subaru engines and don't know how strong they are.
Everyone has to start learning somewhere. You can be a cock about it or you can just be helpful.
Of course i'm sure you were never a noob and you were born knowing this so i guess that gives you a right to act like an asshat on the internet.

O RLY? There are guys running 20 psi "on stock" without it blowing up. Is your mind blown yet? You are right everyone has to start learning somewhere. Go do some reading. When I was a n00b, I knew my place. If by "asshat", you mean answered every single one of your questions, then sure I guess I am an "asshat". I like how you have resorted to personal attacks.

[King Tut]

Originally Posted by killerkid08

A long block. Grabbed in the for sale section here on the forum. There is another you can get on eBay, and work with the guy to get it for 3400 or so.

Damn I don't know how I missed that. Congrats on the pickup, and I look forward to your build.

[killerkid08]

Originally Posted by SillySaxon

This is a thread about whether or not an engine needs to be built or stock for boost.
I asked a question about whether or not an engine needs to be built or stock for boost.

There is a correct answer, i'm certain you can't run 20psi on stock without it blowing up. I'm not retarded, i'm just completely unfamiliar with these subaru engines and don't know how strong they are.
Everyone has to start learning somewhere. You can be a cock about it or you can just be helpful.
Of course i'm sure you were never a noob and you were born knowing this so i guess that gives you a right to act like an asshat on the internet.

lets all play nice, this is a thread that is meant to get the thinking people thinking, and the shops and professionals advising, not the "you know whats" doing what "you know they do".

aka stay on topic and leave the posturing for the bar

[SillySaxon]

Originally Posted by King Tut

Wrong.



O RLY? There are guys running 20 psi "on stock" without it blowing up. Is your mind blown yet? You are right everyone has to start learning somewhere. Go do some reading. When I was a n00b, I knew my place. If by "asshat", you mean answered every single one of your questions, then sure I guess I am an "asshat". I like how you have resorted to personal attacks.

your opening sentence in response to my question was pure elitist internet douchebaggery.
Thanks for the answers, but next time try not to have a condescending attitude in your opening statement.

[lexusb3]

Originally Posted by No Limit Motorsport

A stock GT-R will probably still smoke a 400whp FRS. With basic upgrades and a tune it will eat it for breakfast all day. It is just an unfortunate reality.

Our car with 295whp is dead even with a "stage 2" (intake, turboback, tune) STI from a roll.

I should be at 400 ish by the end of next week i pray if not ill up the boost lol , in addition i also know a GT-R owner so i can show facts also that a GT-R will still smoke me hahaha im at pretty much 300 now and it still pulls 20 cars so an additional 100 it will pull me 15cars hahaha

[No Limit Motorsport]

Originally Posted by lexusb3

I should be at 400 ish by the end of next week i pray if not ill up the boost lol , in addition i also know a GT-R owner so i can show facts also that a GT-R will still smoke me hahaha im at pretty much 300 now and it still pulls 20 cars so an additional 100 it will pull me 15cars hahaha

For real. No doubt a 400whp BRZ/FRS will be quick, but GT-R/Turbo Lambo's/Corvette ZR1 etc are in another speed class. This is of course my opinion, and I would love to be proven wrong. With enough money nearly anything is possible.

IMO a turbo BRZ/FRS should be compared against - turbo S2K (which are really fast), turbo 240sx, WRX/STI, Evo (a lot of fast ones), Civic SI, Mazda

I also think it sucks we are so limited in the power that can be made on pump gas, with the stock engine, because of the high compression ratio. I would love to do some pistons and rods are see what 20psi on pump does. E85 is a hassle.

Adam

[Tansey86]

Hard to beat a twin turbo v6 AWD automatic. Not like you can rely on the driver messing up lol.

[killerkid08]

Originally Posted by SillySaxon

reading threads, oh like this boost advice thread perhaps?
Maybe the advice place is a good place to get advice?
Maybe?
Save your unhelpful garbage for the honda forums.

Stop arguing, this isnt high school. We have nothing to prove just improve the platform.. Safe boost is relative. Do you feel safe on the edge or in the margin of base and extreme ? Yes you can run 5-7-9-11-13 blah boost. Just do it intelligently.