****ADvice REquired: Built/vs/Stock***

[slicktop]

As NLM said, build while the block is still intact. FRS300 had to buy a new block as opposed to using his own. There really isn't much else to it.

[King Tut]

I gotta disagree with the build it while it is running crew. I am never a fan of pulling a perfectly working engine out of a car. While everyone likes to believe that when you build your motor it will be put back together perfectly and will run like a top for hunderes of thousands of miles, but that just isn't reality. Piston rings can be gapped improperly, cross hatching and piston ring seal can go wrong, rod bearings can be improperly sized, crank bolts, rod bolts, head bolts can be torqued improperly, head gasket might not seal properly (happened to one member), and any number of other things can go wrong when building the motor that will just lead to pulling it back out and the car being down again. Enjoy the car now. If it blows, then build a new one at that time. If you are worried, then start stock piling parts for the rebuild now. I mean kids are totaling these things left and right, so blocks should start becoming more more easy to aquire.

[killerkid08]

Originally Posted by King Tut

I gotta disagree with the build it while it is running crew. I am never a fan of pulling a perfectly working engine out of a car. While everyone likes to believe that when you build your motor it will be put back together perfectly and will run like a top for hunderes of thousands of miles, but that just isn't reality. Piston rings can be gapped improperly, cross hatching and piston ring seal can go wrong, rod bearings can be improperly sized, crank bolts, rod bolts, head bolts can be torqued improperly, head gasket might not seal properly (happened to one member), and any number of other things can go wrong when building the motor that will just lead to pulling it back out and the car being down again. Enjoy the car now. If it blows, then build a new one at that time. If you are worried, then start stock piling parts for the rebuild now. I mean kids are totaling these things left and right, so blocks should start becoming more more easy to aquire.

good point but wouldn't building before it blwong allow you to reuse what you have verus, replacing what you had and forging ?

[SillySaxon]

So 11 psi is safe on stock without any mods?
Or are you going to have to mod your engine no matter what if you boost?

[King Tut]

Originally Posted by killerkid08

good point but wouldn't building before it blwong allow you to reuse what you have verus, replacing what you had and forging ?

A used shortblock will come with everything you need and you can build that up and have it ready for if and when your motor does blow.

[King Tut]

Originally Posted by SillySaxon

So 11 psi is safe on stock without any mods?
Or are you going to have to mod your engine no matter what if you boost?

Spend some time reading some threads n00b. You don't have to build your motor no matter what, and I am running 14 psi. Others run higher psi on E85 as well.

[SillySaxon]

Originally Posted by King Tut

Spend some time reading some threads n00b. You don't have to build your motor no matter what, and I am running 14 psi. Others run higher psi on E85 as well.

reading threads, oh like this boost advice thread perhaps?
Maybe the advice place is a good place to get advice?
Maybe?
Save your unhelpful garbage for the honda forums.

[King Tut]

Originally Posted by SillySaxon

reading threads, oh like this boost advice thread perhaps?
Maybe the advice place is a good place to get advice?
Maybe?
Save your unhelpful garbage for the honda forums.

This a thread about deciding whether or not it is worth pulling a stock engine out to build it. This isn't a thread for a n00b to ask how much boost is safe. Only n00bs ask questions like that because there is no correct answer as there are way too many variables. Go read every thread in the Forced Induction section like I have, and then tell me that my posts are unhelpful garbage. I like Honda-Tech by the way.

[No Limit Motorsport]

Originally Posted by killerkid08

good point but wouldn't building before it blwong allow you to reuse what you have verus, replacing what you had and forging ?

Yes... and if you blow your motor and it damages your heads, than things get very expensive, very fast.

[SmsAlSuwaidi]

Originally Posted by No Limit Motorsport

Yes... and if you blow your motor and it damages your heads, than things get very expensive, very fast.

That is true !

Similar thing happened to my bros STI, crank got messed up ( whole short block ) so we thought the heads where fine. Went ahead built that thing real bad ass , sleeved the motor and everything and once we tuned it one of the cylinders would have a slight knock a very slight one. After a week or two we pulled the heads off and one of the valves on cylinder 4 were cracked/ bent which was caused from the prior issue. So it was more money into the pit.

I'm having doubts about building this engine for some reason, I feel like the DI system and all the issues are making wander away and think about a 2j swap

[SmsAlSuwaidi]

Originally Posted by No Limit Motorsport

Never going to happen

A 400whp frs would obviously from a roll

[killerkid08]

Originally Posted by SmsAlSuwaidi

That is true !

Similar thing happened to my bros STI, crank got messed up ( whole short block ) so we thought the heads where fine. Went ahead built that thing real bad ass , sleeved the motor and everything and once we tuned it one of the cylinders would have a slight knock a very slight one. After a week or two we pulled the heads off and one of the valves on cylinder 4 were cracked/ bent which was caused from the prior issue. So it was more money into the pit.

I'm having doubts about building this engine for some reason, I feel like the DI system and all the issues are making wander away and think about a 2j swap

If someone , hint hint, had a kit for the big 6's, rb/2j/1j, I'd have bought it already and skipped the whole boxer build up. I just grabbed a seperate engine for build up, and I'll try not to explode my current one.

[SmsAlSuwaidi]

Originally Posted by killerkid08

If someone , hint hint, had a kit for the big 6's, rb/2j/1j, I'd have bought it already and skipped the whole boxer build up. I just grabbed a seperate engine for build up, and I'll try not to explode my current one.

True, I'd have to do it custom !


You got another engine ?

[killerkid08]

Yea. Grabbed it used.