Stock header ..

[ATL BRZ]

Originally Posted by Hawaiian

Since you seem insistent on taking shots, The JDL dyno as I've pointed out to you before, but you choose to ignore, includes an intake, while the P&L dyno does not giving you better numbers. There is also another dyno using the catted version that starts sooner.

Additionally, those dynos were taken after only a few e-tunes. Their intent was to show that the Header makes significant gains. My car was tuned due to a limited schedule, and it had to come off the dyno so I could get to work. Meanwhile the JDL dyno was made by a quality tuner who got to spend a lot of time with the car getting the tune perfect.

Lastly, as I've pointed out to you before as well, my baseline starts at 160 ending at 198.81. The JDL starts at a much higher baseline

It's good that you're rooting for JDL and all, I root for P&L, but I also don't badmouth other vendors while I do it, and let the product stand for its self.

Not taking shots, just pointing out which header currently has dyno's posted with the best looking torque curve and most peak horsepower of any n/a BRZ/FR-S to date. P&L are happy enough with the limited time spent tuning with their EL header to put that dyno chart in an advertisement. If they felt it needed more revisions with intakes added then certainly they are at liberty to do so...

[Hawaiian]

Originally Posted by ATL BRZ

Not taking shots, just pointing out which header currently has dyno's posted with the best looking torque curve and most peak horsepower of any n/a BRZ/FR-S to date. P&L are happy enough with the limited time spent tuning with their EL header to put that dyno chart in an advertisement. If they felt it needed more revisions with intakes added then certainly they are at liberty to do so...

A Meme.. how original.

I think we've all learned to take vendor #'s with a grain of salt. P&L IS comfortable with the fact that my dynos show gains, and they are waiting for 3rd party dynos. They don't want to over claim, and under deliver.

Don't worry though, there should be about 30-40 out there in the next month or so, with lots of dynos to follow.

[wparsons]

Originally Posted by ATL BRZ

UEL headers will do the same thing, and then some. Still n/a, too, just with an E85 tune.

Torque dip turned to torque bump, specifically a better looking bump than any EL header has dyno'd previously on these cars.

Where does it state that dyno is from an UEL header? I skimmed and can't see where it says which header was used for those charts.

[ATL BRZ]

Originally Posted by wparsons

Where does it state that dyno is from an UEL header? I skimmed and can't see where it says which header was used for those charts.

In the third sentence of that post.

Originally Posted by moto-mike

Videos forthcoming. Will update the VOD thread as well as this is some major stuff. This is with the JDL UEL header AFTER a re-tune compared to stock. The top dyno has a full Perrin unresonated exhaust, intake, E85, our tune. Bottom is stock tune catback only.

[PERRIN]

To the OP, here is the best picture of the stock header I have right now.

[Mikem53]

Originally Posted by PERRIN

To the OP, here is the best picture of the stock header I have right now.

Thank you!

[wparsons]

Originally Posted by ATL BRZ

In the third sentence of that post.

Wow, I must've been blind. I read that post at least 5 times and couldn't see it.

[Turdinator]

Have a look at THIS thread. There are pics of the stock header and most of the aftermarket ones. Plus videos for sound and dyno charts. Dont use the dynos to compare max power, use them to compare the shape of torque curves.

[Xero-Limit]

E85 matters little here...just shift the curve 10 hp or so. The tune we used gains ~20 hp over stock with e85, 10 hp over stock with pump. Curve is exactly the same with both. But yes we'll test with 93 once it gets here. Hopefully we'll have a p&l to test too, then we can compare them fairly with a developed tune for both.

[Hawaiian]

Originally Posted by moto-mike

E85 matters little here...just shift the curve 10 hp or so. The tune we used gains ~20 hp over stock with e85, 10 hp over stock with pump. Curve is exactly the same with both. But yes we'll test with 93 once it gets here. Hopefully we'll have a p&l to test too, then we can compare them fairly with a developed tune for both.

I'm half tempted to drive out there and see what you can do with my car.

[Simmons]

Originally Posted by Hawaiian

I'm half tempted to drive out there and see what you can do with my car.

It would be worth the trip

Mike is the Mann

Plus it would be cool to compare cars/ headers on the same day and dyno.

Don't forget Moto-East doesn't own these Dyno's, we have to use other shops for testing so no trickery here.


Simmons

[pepe]

Hi. I'm hesitant to buy header JDL (uel) catted.
We do not want to change melody ECU
... without changing melody ECU any performance increase?
you believe that coating is sufficient to control heat? It gives the feeling that OEMs with heat shield must be more effective for this.
Thank you