Question about our cars rolling speed

[Gixxersixxerman]

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman

This. When I had my 250 a few years back, I looked to see how fast it could get to 60. Fastest time I ever saw was done by GPS and was right at 6 seconds. They only get to like 115 or so too.

Most modern sport bikes, even with amateur riders, can easily get sub 5 seconds 0-60. I've seen as low as 3 seconds even though. For instance, I have a '12 zx6 and first gear tops out at 84mph. Top speed is around 170. The FRS will come nowhere close to supersports.

Good riders on 750, 1000.. Can easily run 2.5 0-60.. 600's in the upper 2's.. A squid on bike that's never ridden should still run 4's and knowing how to ride 3's all day everyday..

Pros I've seen on prepped tracks with stock bikes run low 2's.. Problem is keeping the wheel down

The guy that raced the sport bike.. It was a 250 lol.. Even my pops big ol gold wing would embarrass this car in every acceleration test

[Hardrock4445]

Originally Posted by Skywgn1

It can be a little surprising. The fact that this car does way pretty much nothing helps quite a bit. Was on the interstate when a late 90's z28 passed me followed behind a new mustang. I went to 5th and caught up and passed the mustang and was able to keep pace with the z28. Redlined 5th and shifted to sixth. Looked down and saw 128mph and decided to let him go. When you are actually driving the car it is a lot of fun. If you want a car to race from light to light buy something else because that is not driving.

That 6MT gearing is a bitch. 6AT redline in 4th gear is 125

[Splat]

Originally Posted by shyong

No way in hell you'll even come close to hanging with a supersport type bike (600cc). No way, no how. Must've been a Ninja 250 or something similar with a really shitty rider. Trust me. I've been riding for over 15 years. Most motorcycles would flat out put this car to shame when acceleration is a contest. Let's not kid ourselves.

I never dreamed, or stated it was a supersport bike . It just wasn't a high handle bar bike and that's all I was meaning, sure he could have been shitty driver, sure it could have been a ninja 250. But, what difference does it make.... it happened for whatever reason and if you think some guy hammering it, would not pass me if he could, well ......BS.
My point was, this car, in its power range, has plenty umpfff for day to day driving, especially in the sidewinder turns. I will find out this weekend at "Tail of Dragon" road. Anyone care to join me, probably 5-6 hopeful less traffic on a Monday.

[Splat]

Originally Posted by Gixxersixxerman

Good riders on 750, 1000.. Can easily run 2.5 0-60.. 600's in the upper 2's.. A squid on bike that's never ridden should still run 4's and knowing how to ride 3's all day everyday..

Pros I've seen on prepped tracks with stock bikes run low 2's.. Problem is keeping the wheel down

The guy that raced the sport bike.. It was a 250 lol.. Even my pops big ol gold wing would embarrass this car in every acceleration test

When was anything mentioned about a 0-60 run ? even my grandma knows this car is not fast from deadstop. I know you just trying to keep real and those are some cool facts about sportbikes 0-60 times.

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Sorry but I don't feel this at all. When I get in my mustang I feel like I'm in a rocket ship, and I only have the 305HP V6. This car is fun, but it's not fast from 0 nor is it fast while in motion compared to similarly priced cars.

[Gixxersixxerman]

Originally Posted by Splat

When was anything mentioned about a 0-60 run ? even my grandma knows this car is not fast from deadstop. I know you just trying to keep real and those are some cool facts about sportbikes 0-60 times.

When did I quote you, I quoted tyler just to give him some info, I was just sharing it.. But I'm sure on my 750 I wouldn't even have to down shift from 6th to beat the FRS in any gear from any speed.. I believe you, my older car was able to stay with a 250... Just making sure you realized it was a sport bike before you start bragging to your friends that you dusted a busa or something lol

[Sonolin]

I agree with you OP. I mostly feel very confident with the ability of this car when I'm really driving it (above 4k rpms). Sometimes it does feel a little low on power, but never so much that it feels sluggish or boring.

Originally Posted by Hardrock4445

That 6MT gearing is a bitch. 6AT redline in 4th gear is 125

True, except for the fact 5th & 6th are both overdrives so that's pretty much your top speed unless your going downhill with some wind to push you maybe...

[Skywgn1]

Originally Posted by Hardrock4445

That 6MT gearing is a bitch. 6AT redline in 4th gear is 125

Did not know that. With that said I still love the connection you have with the manual. I just wish that Toyota would have added the auto blip for downshift to the manual like they did the automatic. I know that part of the tune you get from Perrin includes this. Would have been nice not paying an extra 850.00 bones just to get it.

[DarkSunrise]

If you're above the torque dip (4500 rpm), this car is roughly on par with any other car running low 6's 0-60 and high 14's quarter. Basically Mini Cooper S's, GTI's, Civic SI's, etc. Not particularly fast, but I guess you could say not slow either.

If you're in or below the torque dip, you will get destroyed by all the turbo 4 cyls, which have midrange torque mountains -- basically the inverse torque curve of the FRS. You really have to be in the lowest gear possible to make use of all 200 hp.

[chulooz]

There is a long list of everyday cars that will run from an FRS, both at a stop and in motion... but their is a longer list of cars that the FRS can pull on.

In the car world it is not slow. In the performance car world... yeah.

[SkullWorks]

Originally Posted by Sonolin

True, except for the fact 5th & 6th are both overdrives so that's pretty much your top speed unless your going downhill with some wind to push you maybe...

I'm not sure what this is even supposed to mean...ofcourse you are going to have a higher top speed in 5th and 6th, "over drive" is a cute term for Automatic marketing but in reality there is still another layer (or 2 if you're doing the math) of gear multiplication/reduction so it is irrelevant what the numerical ratios actually are in the transmission. what matters is the percentage change between them, the differential and tires still have a job to do, being in "overdrive" just means that the output shaft on the transmission is spinning faster than the input shaft, but manufacturers change the final drive ratio (differential pinion and ring gear) to work with the gearset in the transmission for the intended purpose of the car...and visca versa.


TL;DR

You don't understand how gear ratios and torque application work therefore please do not attempt to educate others on such things.

[CamryDS]

did I just read that a motorcycle is slower than a car? That's absurd.

[Sonolin]

Originally Posted by SkullWorks

I'm not sure what this is even supposed to mean...ofcourse you are going to have a higher top speed in 5th and 6th, "over drive" is a cute term for Automatic marketing but in reality there is still another layer (or 2 if you're doing the math) of gear multiplication/reduction so it is irrelevant what the numerical ratios actually are in the transmission. what matters is the percentage change between them, the differential and tires still have a job to do, being in "overdrive" just means that the output shaft on the transmission is spinning faster than the input shaft, but manufacturers change the final drive ratio (differential pinion and ring gear) to work with the gearset in the transmission for the intended purpose of the car...and visca versa.


TL;DR

You don't understand how gear ratios and torque application work therefore please do not attempt to educate others on such things.

All I know is 5th gear on the auto feels like 6th on the manual. I used to own an auto and hated felt the second overdrive gear was really pointless and killed a lot of the fun.

I'm no professional, but I know with my auto I'd downshift once to 5th floor it and the revs climb veryyyyyy slowwwwllllyyyy. I'd have to downshift twice just to pass on the highway, which is a little ridiculous IMO. Now if this car had more power, or another gear in the gearbox, it wouldn't be bad at all but stock that's my impression.

And I know the definition for an overdrive gear... Point is gearing is very important for this car as its a very light car with low power and needs as much power out of the gearbox as it can squeeze (especially at higher speeds). I'm even thinking about swapping the final drive ratio of the manual out for a higher ratio for a little more pep in the higher gears.

EDIT: My post was mostly in reply to @Hardrock4445 who mentioned "6MT gearing is a bitch", which is a stupid thing to say. The gearing on the MT is far superior IMO (at stock power levels at least).

[SkullWorks]

well an auto (almost) always has a greater amount of drag internally and therefore delivers less of the power to the wheels.

6th gear is too large of a split from 5th to be used for spirited driving, you never really drive this car hard above 4th gear anyway, 6th gear is alot like the 5th gear in the first 5-speeds, meant for low RPM at freeway speeds for fuel efficiency.