FRS Auto Off Headlamps - False Advertising?

[naikaidriver]

The only thing I can see "egregious" about this headlight "issue" is the proposing of a lawsuit because of it. Did you suffer any personal injury to yourself or your property because of it? No? Sorry.

Just because you are too (insert colorful adjective here) to turn your lights off when the car is beeping loudly at you to do so is you're own fault. Read the owner's manual.

Now, that said, out of all of the minor "issues" an quirks with the FRS/BRZ/GT86, there is only ONE that I could think of that may be worth litigation and that is the failure of the ECU to COMPLETELY disable the ABS/TCS/VSC when the button has been held for 5 seconds. Search "the Pedal Dance" to find more detailed information.

This in my opinion is a safety issue for a car that has been claimed to have been set up for drifting and track use that could result in a high-speed crash under the right circumstances. If you're one of those types just looking for a reason to sue someone, that would be the one that I would go after.

Scott

[raul]

Features that enable laziness should be burnt anyways.

[Dake]

Well, no. There are grounds for some complaint. It is in fact currently listed as a standard feature on the FR-S (just checked for myself). That means we paid for it in the base-price of the car. If they didn't want to install it, that's fine. But it shouldn't be listed as installed.

Would it be ok for them to say they gave you floor mats and charge the extra money for them but not do it? Why not just charge everyone for the Bespoke sound system but install the base unit?

Conversely, how much would it cost to have a dealer install an auto-off function in the car? I'll bet it'd buy a few tanks of gas at least.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Dake

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As for the OP - never really noticed the official standard feature list. If it's really in print then lead the charge.

Directly from the Scion.com website under Exterior features, although not sur its lawsuit worthy...

[Dake]

I've emailed Scion. We'll see what they say.

[boredom.is.me]

Mine shut off after a while of being on. It takes more than a few minutes, but it does shut off. I might time them tonight.

[naikaidriver]

Originally Posted by Dake

I've emailed Scion. We'll see what they say.

I am doing my absolute best to not sound rude but...

<deep breath>

According the US Scion FRS Service Manual document version 6.4 A From 201203, Document ID RM000004NUM00RX, Titled;

LIGHTING (EXT): LIGHTING SYSTEM: CUSTOMIZE PARAMETERS (2013 FR-S)

These are the settings that can be changed by the dealer by connecting to your ECU.

Light Auto OFF Delay - Default 30 s - "Keeps the headlights on for a certain period of time after turning the ignition switch off and closing all doors with the low beam headlights on."

Setting options: OFF, 30 s, 60 s or 90 s

Summary:
Go to the dealer and have them change it!!

You're welcome!

Scott

[Dake]

Originally Posted by naikaidriver

I am doing my absolute best to not sound rude but...

<deep breath>

According the US Scion FRS Service Manual document version 6.4 A From 201203, Document ID RM000004NUM00RX, Titled;

LIGHTING (EXT): LIGHTING SYSTEM: CUSTOMIZE PARAMETERS (2013 FR-S)

These are the settings that can be changed by the dealer by connecting to your ECU.

Light Auto OFF Delay - Default 30 s - "Keeps the headlights on for a certain period of time after turning the ignition switch off and closing all doors with the low beam headlights on."

Setting options: OFF, 30 s, 60 s or 90 s

Summary:
Go to the dealer and have them change it!!

You're welcome!

Scott

Hey that's excellent thanks. I've followed these threads, but must have missed this being posted. Though obviously it's not the "default" position if most people's don't do it. Plus you know... you could have posted this in your earlier rant a few posts ago and it would've ended things right then.

[Tuan]

Thanks, Scott. I'll relay this information to my dealer and hopefully they can resolve this issue.

I can turn off my headlamps perfectly fine without your comment on my apparent laziness, thank you.

Originally Posted by naikaidriver

I am doing my absolute best to not sound rude but...

<deep breath>

According the US Scion FRS Service Manual document version 6.4 A From 201203, Document ID RM000004NUM00RX, Titled;

LIGHTING (EXT): LIGHTING SYSTEM: CUSTOMIZE PARAMETERS (2013 FR-S)

These are the settings that can be changed by the dealer by connecting to your ECU.

Light Auto OFF Delay - Default 30 s - "Keeps the headlights on for a certain period of time after turning the ignition switch off and closing all doors with the low beam headlights on."

Setting options: OFF, 30 s, 60 s or 90 s

Summary:
Go to the dealer and have them change it!!

You're welcome!

Scott

[naikaidriver]

Originally Posted by Dake

Hey that's excellent thanks. I've followed these threads, but must have missed this being posted. Though obviously it's not the "default" position if it most people's don't do it.

Its no trouble. This literally took me 5 minutes to dig up in the service manual.

Its not uncommon to have some "variance" in some ECU changes even in similar cars from the manufacturer.

Scott

[Ryeong86]

Screw the auto off feature... I want those damn headlights off the special edition FR-S with the Led DRLs >_<

[cfusionpm]

I might just go to the dealer and have them do that tomorrow! I got used to auto off lights in my tC for 8 years.

[Ledippen]

Most toyota have auto light off features when you open door or turn key off they go off. Even in my old 92 -94 camrys did it also 05 tundra

[oldpueblo]

I want to install manual window roller bars so that I can furiously wind them up and down manually because yes auto features are for lazy asses!