FBM 604Hp 472Tq -- Stock Motor Stage 2 Turbo Kit

[FullBlown]

Originally Posted by mact

I doubt the plastic intake manifold is going to explode, crack, or leak.

Me neither, its holding up quite well.

[juanmedina]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

I'd be more interested in wear and tear than a blown engine, that seems like more useful data.

lol components should be tested to ultimate failure first then to wear/fatigue etc

[civicdrivr]

Originally Posted by juanmedina

lol components should be tested to ultimate failure first then to wear/fatigue etc

That doesn't make sense. Blowing the engine before seeing what fatigues first isn't the best option since one part can fail causing larger issues, which makes it easy to overlook the first part that truly caused the failure and blame a different part that was only damaged due to the first failure.

I'm still trying to wake up, I really hope that made sense. But basically, colateral damage isn't fun to sift through to figure out the ultimate cause of the damage.

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[juanmedina]

Originally Posted by civicdrivr

That doesn't make sense. Blowing the engine before seeing what fatigues first isn't the best option since one part can fail causing larger issues, which makes it easy to overlook the first part that truly caused the failure and blame a different part that was only damaged due to the first failure.

I'm still trying to wake up, I really hope that made sense. But basically, colateral damage isn't fun to sift through to figure out the ultimate cause of the damage.

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How are you going to see what fatigue if is not broken? FPM are not noobs to this they should be able to figure out what happen, by looking at the bearings, rods, pistons and crank. They will actually have to test many engines not just one since no two engines are the same, the same goes for other conditions and many other factors.

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by juanmedina

How are you going to see what fatigue if is not broken? FPM are not noobs to this they should be able to firure out what happen, by looking at the bearings, rods, pistons and crank.

THE juanmedina? Go back to PPP :-P


Wear won't be seen when the engine blows...only engine components destroying everywhere else will be seen. It would be impossible to ascertain what wear was occurring where and whether it was before or after catastrophic failure. One could only provide a "best" guess; whereas cracking the block before hand could show you all that other wear you're talking about. Loose chunks of liner, piston, bearing, and valves doesn't really help me ascertain anything.

[swift996]

I'm interested to see how the piston rings, rods, and other components hold up. Along with the head gaskets and valve trains. It's a little more of a pain upgrading those in a boxer layout versus an inline. I'm bullish that the component quality is high enough to handle boost over time but will be watching. I'm between the FMB Stage 1 premium and the Innovate kit. I need DD reliability but more power is a must!

[civicdrivr]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

THE juanmedina? Go back to PPP :-P


Wear won't be seen when the engine blows...only engine components destroying everywhere else will be seen. It would be impossible to ascertain what wear was occurring where and whether it was before or after catastrophic failure. One could only provide a "best" guess; whereas cracking the block before hand could show you all that other wear you're talking about. Loose chunks of liner, piston, bearing, and valves doesn't really help me ascertain anything.

Thank you, that's what I was trying to say in my own special not-so-eloquent way

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[juanmedina]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

THE juanmedina? Go back to PPP :-P


Wear won't be seen when the engine blows...only engine components destroying everywhere else will be seen. It would be impossible to ascertain what wear was occurring where and whether it was before or after catastrophic failure. One could only provide a "best" guess; whereas cracking the block before hand could show you all that other wear you're talking about. Loose chunks of liner, piston, bearing, and valves doesn't really help me ascertain anything.

What kind of wear you thing you are going to see? bearing wear? piston ring wear? you don't have to take the engine apart to figure that one out. It shouldn't be catastrophic either

[civicdrivr]

Originally Posted by juanmedina

What kind of wear you thing you are going to see? bearing wear? piston ring wear? you don't have to take the engine apart to figure that one out. It shouldn't be catastrophic either

I'm beginning to think you don't understand the difference between fatigue vs failure.

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[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by juanmedina

What kind of wear you thing you are going to see? bearing wear? piston ring wear? you don't have to take the engine apart to figure that one out. It shouldn't be catastrophic either

That's not a wouldn't. Go look at a non-boosted engine failure we recently had on the forums; hole in the piston, valve contact, etc.. No one knows, especially not you, what kind of failure will occur when it does finally occur. Maybe it'll just spin a bearing, maybe it'll spit a piston out of the block. We can take this elsewhere Juan; this is FBM's thread.

[juanmedina]

Originally Posted by civicdrivr

I'm beginning to think you don't understand the difference between fatigue vs failure.

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LOL I do FEA work all day long. Good luck catching that fatigued rod before it breaks....

[boead]

look Max; its got a blower!!

[sw20kosh]

^ Innovate should have used that blower...

[carbonBLUE]

Originally Posted by ft_sjo

You do realise that air flows inside the manifold and not around the outside, right?

you do realize you can scan the inside of a manifold right?
3D printing isn't as primitive as before, you can actually print metal models of your scans now-a-days.... jeeze...

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snOErpOP5Xk"]3D Printer - High Resolution - Homemade - DIY - YouTube[/ame]

simple science really...

Fingers crossed for the manifold! Ive heard plastic manifolds blowing at 25+ psi on most other cars.... who knows though, our intake manifolds are pretty thick and have plenty of regitity