Check engine light just came on after 2k miles.

[jesperswe]

Originally Posted by FRS-ti

Got the whole stop at a light, the RPM's drop, the engine starts idling roughly, pop goes the CEL. Took it to the dealership. Code P0017. Camshaft Sensor bad is diagnoses. Have to ge part from CA. This seems to be a common problem manifesting itself in different ways with different codes. Just thought I would add this one since I hadn't seen it on any of the forums yet.

Well everything is pointing towards ECU problems and not the actual cam gear.
Btw i also have P0017 on mine

[Teknian_Culprate13]

update on my car.... they said it wont be ready till OCT omg wtf!!! i think i just want a new engine not a rebuilt one! in order to get to the cam shaft they have to rebuild the engine and ugh this sucks its a brand new car this shouldnt be happening. im making my first payment and i dont even have my car and now its in the shop for 4 weeks!

[jesperswe]

Originally Posted by Teknian_Culprate13

update on my car.... they said it wont be ready till OCT omg wtf!!! i think i just want a new engine not a rebuilt one! in order to get to the cam shaft they have to rebuild the engine and ugh this sucks its a brand new car this shouldnt be happening. im making my first payment and i dont even have my car and now its in the shop for 4 weeks!

Tell them about a possible ECU upgrade is fixing the problem, atleast that they investigate it before ripping your car apart.

[@Art_Mighty]

Originally Posted by Teknian_Culprate13

update on my car.... they said it wont be ready till OCT omg wtf!!! i think i just want a new engine not a rebuilt one! in order to get to the cam shaft they have to rebuild the engine and ugh this sucks its a brand new car this shouldnt be happening. im making my first payment and i dont even have my car and now its in the shop for 4 weeks!

Call Scion customer service and get a case started. They have been covering car payments for cars which have been in the shop with these codes. Also make sure you check-in to the CLE issues thread so you can be added to the big list.

Are you 100% sure they said they needed to get to the cam shaft?

[Teknian_Culprate13]

Originally Posted by @Art_Mighty

Call Scion customer service and get a case started. They have been covering car payments for cars which have been in the shop with these codes. Also make sure you check-in to the CLE issues thread so you can be added to the big list.

Are you 100% sure they said they needed to get to the cam shaft?

yea im 100% sure they said something was wrong with it. why do you ask?

[rapidcars]

Originally Posted by FRS-ti

Got the whole stop at a light, the RPM's drop, the engine starts idling roughly, pop goes the CEL. Took it to the dealership. Code P0017. Camshaft Sensor bad is diagnoses. Have to ge part from CA. This seems to be a common problem manifesting itself in different ways with different codes. Just thought I would add this one since I hadn't seen it on any of the forums yet.

Got the same diagnosis and they said my car would be ready tomorrow afternoon. That assumes it actually fixes the problem. I have a feeling we'll be waiting on new ECUs next based on what everyone else is saying.

[@Art_Mighty]

Originally Posted by Teknian_Culprate13

yea im 100% sure they said something was wrong with it. why do you ask?

So far no onehas actually needed a new cam shaft, just a cam gear...

[Teknian_Culprate13]

Originally Posted by jesperswe

Tell them about a possible ECU upgrade is fixing the problem, atleast that they investigate it before ripping your car apart.

why would the dealer listen to my advice im just a guy with a broken car

[showbe]

Originally Posted by 86'ing

yeah, tbh i only had 878 miles on my car til thuis crap happened, shitty thing is i had my turbo kit from greddy on preorder, now after this idk if its worth getting it and losing my 5 year warranty, plus the new vertex body kit i was planning on putting over 7 thousand on this car and make it a performance car i use to drive a 2010 porche but i sold it to get this one to trick it out, i love the drifting feel and heritage sense of this car. justr funny i went from porche to frs to lol matrix hahahah, after the weekend though ill be driving a better car from enterprise gonna get a camaro lol.

Originally Posted by 86'ing

So as i mentioned on my thread title, this is a update to my previous post about the CEL and SL lighting coming on after my RPM's dropped below 500 and began to bog, ---so to start off i recently came back from the dealershi[p from expeirencing what could be the craziest dealership i have ever been too! they call me the monday after i got my car towed in from my place of work to tell me that i can pick up my car, i then continued by asking what was replaced on my car in oder to fix the issue, THERE RESPONSE WAS " we didnt replace nething, all we did was reset the CEL, cuz the car was acting up when they brought it in." so i basically asked TECH if nothing was changed or fixed then wouldnt i be expecting the car to act up again? the tech said yes no doubt it will happen again, SO i said then how the hell u expect me to sign off on papers and basically put my self and the guinee pig!......lol im still baffled. Neways its now thursday and i went and said screw ill take the car tell i was not happy and then drive it off. But i todl em if it gives me problems again lol im gonna just finish it and break the car and destroy the engine, idk how lmao but i would. as i drove off the lot i felt the car act a bit different then when i purchased it, so i took it on the highway and opened it up to about 131mph.....lol, and then came down on idle. and lord and behold engine began the bogg again! took it to the dealership and said here, lol. they then recorded all the engine issues with this freeze frame tech. and sent it to a engineer at toyota corp. and they responded and said ECU need to be replaced with new software. so now i went from driving a FRS to a Matrix to a corrolla and now im in a yaris. trying to figure out how they should compinsate me what you guys think.....?

Dude you really need to work on your typing. I dont even want to read anymore after half way through your post. You dont use paragraphs. You say LOL and HAHA almost every single sentence or repeat it once you said 1 word. And worse of all you type like a 10 year old kid. Seriously at least make paragraphs. I dont mind when people use short cuts for words but when it is just 1 less letter its really annoying. You arent chatting with someone you are posting on a forum make it at least organized so posters can take you seriously. It takes almost 2 times as long to read your posts then other peoples. Do everyone a favor and type correctly and use paragraphs. No one wants to know your LOLing or LMAO or HAHA every damn sentence.

Their is probably a reason why almost no one responds/quotes your posts.

[brianbot5000]

Originally Posted by showbe

Dude you really need to work on your typing. I dont even want to read anymore after half way through your post. You dont use paragraphs. You say LOL and HAHA almost every single sentence or repeat it once you said 1 word. And worse of all you type like a 10 year old kid. Seriously at least make paragraphs. I dont mind when people use short cuts for words but when it is just 1 less letter its really annoying. You arent chatting with someone you are posting on a forum make it at least organized so posters can take you seriously. It takes almost 2 times as long to read your posts then other peoples. Do everyone a favor and type correctly and use paragraphs. No one wants to know your LOLing or LMAO or HAHA every damn sentence.

Their is probably a reason why almost no one responds/quotes your posts.

Funniest post I've read in a long time. Thanks!

And as for who this was directed towards (86'er) - I think he meant this in a "with all due respect", "just trying to be helpful" sort of way, so don't get all worked up.

[rice_classic]

showbe is full of win!

[soconfoozed]

As others have pointed out, and as I've noted previously, what really upsets me about this process is a lack of ownership by either Subaru or Toyota. There are no faults with our glorious 86. There are no Americans in Baghdad.

Nobody is asking either company to publish engineering data. But to maintain radio silence and insist (again, as noted) that these are all isolated incidents doesn't do the customer any good. It's insulting. Oh, be careful, don't believe everything you read on the internet, anybody can post anything they want without being held responsible. Really? Eff you, buddy. Say, how's that social networking footprint working out for you? What? That's hypocritical?

There's also a really fundamental inability to get things done. I can't believe such well-resourced organizations could be so slow to act, and on top of that, get so many basic things wrong. It was two mistakes and about a full, wasted working week just to get the correct OCV that was eventually replaced on my BRZ to the correct spot on the globe. There's no plan B, either. There's no contingency planning. Where's the BRZ panic kit, full of replacements for all the parts the engineers were still nervous about when production began? How is this level of ineptitude possible?

I swear, I feel like the engineers were all hanging out, watching the assembly line for a few days, making sure everything was ~perfect~. Then one engineer leaned over to another and said "hey, Takahashi, I think the line workers have it down, what about you? Let's go get a beer." Only, they didn't have it down, and then my car got built.

At every step of the way, I've had to fight to get the most basic things done. I'm completely confident that if I hadn't spent so much of my time on this, my car would STILL be in a service bay at the dealer.

Some problems are just hard to solve, and sometimes as an engineer, you can design yourself into a corner. That happens, and when it does, it sucks, because life can become difficult. I feel a very strong sense of duty to get it right for my customers. But when you don't get it right, you find yourself with a new goal that's ten times as important: MAKE IT RIGHT. You damn for certain make sure the customer understands that you want it fixed even MORE than they do, because it's their investment, but your pride. People still actually care about that kind of thing, right? Right? Bueller? Bueller? Bueller?

I'm so beyond caring about any stupid extended warranty, or reimbursement for being without my car for a month. I was clear about that with SoA from the beginning. They kept asking "what can we do, what can we do," and I kept telling them "none of that matters if you don't fix the issue, does it. Focus on the big problem first, then work out the details." And now they're just doing the same friggin' song and dance for everybody else. That pisses me off, because clearly they've learned nothing about customer service. Buying off customers with silly little rewards goes 180 degrees toward fixing an organizational culture that says this crap is okay in the first place. Way to treat the symptom, not the cause, a-hole.

Much as I love my BRZ, and indeed, much as I'm sure I'll enjoy the hell out of it, I'm doubtful at this point that I'll ever choose another Subaru. Sure, other manufacturers may be no better, but the point is that Subaru won't get my money again.

I've tried to make this clear to SoA on numerous occasions and at increasingly high levels of the organization (I know, for instance, that some e-mail potshots to the executive level did get read), but they've made it clear that they just do not care, at all.

It's really just jaw-droppingly amazing to me that a company that treats its customers this way is able to stay in business. Subaru must make money by accident.

[czar07]

I mean even in this day and age, shit like not responding to customer's emails is just retarded. specially in a situation like this. It takes TWO minutes to respond to emails.
Looks like its profit profit profit. fuck the consumer

[FRS-ti]

Thanks! That is the message they are getting from HQ in California. Supposedly bad code. 3 weeks for upgrade.