Again: No Turbo, No Convertible for US FR-S

[jcX4ever]

Originally Posted by moniz

Then buy a car that does that or make the car you bought do that. Your favorite car or manufacturer doesn't owe you, me or anyone else whatever car you want. If they want to make it or sell it then great, but if they don't, then bitching about it as a "fail" is pointless. And like I said, it's a matter of preference. Just because you "need" a car faster than 15 seconds doesn't mean Toyota(or any other car maker) needs to make it for you. And you're definition of balanced is exactly that, YOURS. The 86 team have theirs and made a car according to it. Doesn't mean they're right, doesn't mean you are either.

BTW, the 2nd paragraph is directed to all of the ones with bitter feelings about the this Turbo rumor. Are you one of them?

I don't really get why people hate the idea of having a turbo version of this incredible car.. A lot of people especially those who already bought one seem to be giving a lot of negativity about the turbo concept. If you already have your N/A and they produce a Turbo version then it is none of your concern whether it is better or worse. I just smell some selfish or maybe buyers remorse or something... Trying hard to make their feelings a little better by telling a lot of negative to the Turbo version.. Is this what's happening here? I thought we are all Car lovers here...

If they release a Turbo version then it is good thing since we the ones who will still buy have more options to choose from. Then again, this should not concern you since you already have yours. Right?

You like your N/A? you like your turbo?... we all have our own personal preference and all have their pros and cons. But we all WIN since we have more options to choose from.

[Memphis]

Originally Posted by Toyotapartsoutlet

And when it comes I will be the first to stock them.

How about replacement headlights?

[NikostC]

Superchargers are nice they keep the power similar to N/A, Turbos are cool because they make an amazing amount of power, but this car doesn't need massive amounts of power. It just needs a little more and those options would make it much more expensive. It needs a slightly larger displacement motor around 2.4L making about 220hp and 180tq

[dori.]

I would have NO problem with a factory turbo. A nice sized one would help with power delivery across the powerband. It's not like the car comes alive until after 4k anyway.

I'd gladly pay extra for a turbo version.

Don't see why anyone would be against it.

[azian_advanced]

i think most people who decide against having a turbo either are track enthusiasts, don't want to pay a few G's for it, or simply never driven a turbo-charged car before. once you go turbo, you don't go back!

[moniz]

Originally Posted by jcX4ever

BTW, the 2nd paragraph is directed to all of the ones with bitter feelings about the this Turbo rumor. Are you one of them?

I don't really get why people hate the idea of having a turbo version of this incredible car.. A lot of people especially those who already bought one seem to be giving a lot of negativity about the turbo concept. If you already have your N/A and they produce a Turbo version then it is none of your concern whether it is better or worse. I just smell some selfish or maybe buyers remorse or something... Trying hard to make their feelings a little better by telling a lot of negative to the Turbo version.. Is this what's happening here? I thought we are all Car lovers here...

If they release a Turbo version then it is good thing since we the ones who will still buy have more options to choose from. Then again, this should not concern you since you already have yours. Right?

You like your N/A? you like your turbo?... we all have our own personal preference and all have their pros and cons. But we all WIN since we have more options to choose from.

First of all I don't hate the idea of them offering a turbo, just don't really see it based on the original R&D team set up to create this car, since their goal from the outset was to get their power avoidinding FI. And it no more your concern that they only offer a NA version(currently) than it is mine if they offer turbo. Your entitled to your opinion, as I am entitled to mine. Having said that, once the car is in production, corporate pretty much takes over, and if there is demand and it can be met while being profitable, then they'll probably override the original design philosophy.

And it's no buyers remorse on my part. Obviously you're not very perceptive, since if you read my signature and currently drive section, I don't own one yet. And yes if even if they offer a turbo in the near future, I'm still planning on getting the NA version.

[Tanuki]

It is 2012. Don't you think if they had wanted fi on the engine, they would have developed it with the brand new engine and released it already? They know perfectly well that people want power and are willing to pay for it. They knew what the car was up against from the beginning. To me it seems like it would be weird to do a turbo as an after thought on the car. Maybe if they had put an engine previously in production I could see a turbo model right away, but if they do turbo the car, I dont see it being for a couple of years. They have a lot invested into the car as it sits, they will let it sell with minor adjustments for a couple years at least before it gets a turbo.

[brewksy]

Originally Posted by azian_advanced

i think most people who decide against having a turbo either are track enthusiasts, don't want to pay a few G's for it, or simply never driven a turbo-charged car before. once you go turbo, you don't go back!

Even my wife can tell the difference between the linear response of an N/A or supercharged engine over the non-linear response of a turbocharged engine. I own a turbocharged car currently, and I would rather have an N/A or supercharged version of this car now.

[Oh Damn Andrew]

Originally Posted by subatoy

a $30k(turbo version) Scion DOESN'T make sense for their teenage target market but a $30k Subaru would be normal
I'm curious to see if the Subaru (higher end model) would HAVE turbo since Subaru can justify it.

Probably the most logical thing I've read on this post. At the n/a FRS current price, adding a turbo and what not would out price the scion brand out of its own target market. Branded as a Subaru or Toyota, a $30k FRS can be pulled off. A $30k scion? Not so much.

[GNS]

Originally Posted by sbxjap

but we, as Americans, will be so mad that turbo version costs so much more, lol...

WRX and STi are about $8k (give or take the different options)... but if the BRZ was $8k difference, A LOT of people will whine.

$8k between the WRX and STI also covers brakes, 6 speed MT, DCCD system, suspension, wheels, etc. The WRX is basically a regular Impreza with a turbo and a body that looks like an STI, while the STI is what a turbo performance Impreza should be (minus the ringlands blowing up).

[tripjammer]

Originally Posted by Oh Damn Andrew

Probably the most logical thing I've read on this post. At the n/a FRS current price, adding a turbo and what not would out price the scion brand out of its own target market. Branded as a Subaru or Toyota, a $30k FRS can be pulled off. A $30k scion? Not so much.

$25K is already too expensive for a Scion. Toyota was stupid to even make the FR-S a Scion...they should have made it a Lexus FR-S or a Toyota GT 86. Lexus could also use a low end sports car too....A $25k Scion? Crazy...but at least it is selling. For now....

They could have made this a Lexus FR-S and sold it loaded for $30k, and it would have still sold out...then bring out a sedan version in 2014, and then a convertible version in 2015. Show me a light weight RWD sports sedan under $32k?

There is no point in having the Scion brand. It needs to be absorbed into Toyota.

But Scion is going to die soon anyways....then there will be a North American Toyota GT86 turbo in a few years.

That's if there ever will be a FI version of these cars...

Now if you take Scion and gut it...and make it the performance\Fun brand....it could survive....

[sbxjap]

Originally Posted by GNS

$8k between the WRX and STI also covers brakes, 6 speed MT, DCCD system, suspension, wheels, etc. The WRX is basically a regular Impreza with a turbo and a body that looks like an STI, while the STI is what a turbo performance Impreza should be (minus the ringlands blowing up).

oh, yea I know the difference, but I was just generalizing on what people want to pay for a car. I got the BRZ LTD and I think it's worth the price, and I would gladly pay more for the STi...

That being said, I also agree that Scion should be part of Toyota... saves them on marketing and rebranding, etc... they would've made more money I think if it were a Toyota since they don't really have a sports car anymore. Just imagine how much they would've saved on making extra headlamps without the 86's LED stripe.

Subaru can offer STi and Toyota can offer the TRD like how Nissan offers their Nismo 370Z. As a Scion, it's looked down upon as cheap... which is sad as the FR-S is still a really nice car...

[quik1987]

Originally Posted by sbxjap

oh, yea I know the difference, but I was just generalizing on what people want to pay for a car. I got the BRZ LTD and I think it's worth the price, and I would gladly pay more for the STi...

That being said, I also agree that Scion should be part of Toyota... saves them on marketing and rebranding, etc... they would've made more money I think if it were a Toyota since they don't really have a sports car anymore. Just imagine how much they would've saved on making extra headlamps without the 86's LED stripe.

Subaru can offer STi and Toyota can offer the TRD like how Nissan offers their Nismo 370Z. As a Scion, it's looked down upon as cheap... which is sad as the FR-S is still a really nice car...

what?

wouldn't they save more money producing only the led version?

less manufacturing process

[robo_robb]

The Scion FR-S has the same headlights as the Toyota 86 G-spec.

The headlights are not made specially for Scion.