Again: No Turbo, No Convertible for US FR-S

[Saber_TRD]

Originally Posted by Mulder

I don't believe for a second that a FI model won't be available here in the USA. To many people are wanting it.

There are a lot of people who wanted the car as a Toyota and still do, myself included and I refuse to buy the Scion. They don't seem to care if people want something or not. Even if you tell them you're willing to pay for it.

[just86]

just buy turbo brz when it comes out to USA

[azian_advanced]

Originally Posted by Allch Chcar

I thought the sedan rumor was more interesting, personally, and that was limited to one sentence in a business article.

All kids care about these days is the turbo and summer car. TOP DOWN TOP DOWN!

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[Boxer 86]

This is going to end up just like every other car that has turbo/na varients on the market. People will buy the NA, justify spending the money on upgrading to a turbo, and get pissed when things break because of it. Where as if they just spent the money on the turbo version in the first place, they would have no worry. This is the reason I refuse to turbo my NA 7, there is too much I would have to change and for the price that I would be buying everything, it would just make much more sense to have bought the Turbo version t begin with.

Sorry if this has been said before but I didn't read the whole thread.

And I also believe that this car will have enthusiasts on both ends of the spectrum, just like 99% of all other cars. There will be those who swear by NA, and those who swear by FI. So honestly why bump heads over it? Do what the hell you want to on your car, and just be happy with it.

[lokvo]

Originally Posted by tswjfwm

It really depends on how you enjoy driving. I'm not a guy who tracks either, but I enjoy the thrill of a sports car. The idea of sitting inside one, shifting gears, & the ability to open the throttle when needed is exhilarating.

My first car was a 1990 Toyota Supra Turbo. Fortunately for me, my dad picked out the car. I had originally just wanted a Chevy Cavalier...saving gas was my priority. I didn't know anything about cars back then (I thought that intake & vtec were the same thing), but the Supra changed my life. Like every young guy, I wanted to do so many things with my car. But with no $, I never did anything. I drove it bone stock since 2000 until I sold it 3 years ago (sitting in the driveway for 3 years with a leaky head gasket) for $900. My loss was someone else gain.

I'm a modest guy, so when people praised me for my car, I just accepted it kindly. Was it something to brag about? Yes! But it was MY car. That's all that mattered. When I was sitting in it, shifting gears at will, passing by slow drivers when I needed it, letting jerks go by without a fight....what mattered was that I enjoyed it.

Since then, I've bought a Toyota Camry, Acura TL, FJ Cruiser, & now Hyundai Sonata. What do I miss the most? Stick shift & the thrill of the drive. These cars can all go fast if you want them to...maybe not as fast as my beloved Supra, but fast enough to get places. But I'm not going to track it. When I get my FRS/BRZ, I'm planning to just keep it the way it is and smile when I drive it.

Just my "2 cents". :P

I'm probably going to take the same stance as you and keep my 86 completely NA when I get it the most I'll probably do is the wheels.

[subatoy]

Originally Posted by JohnATL

This doesn't bother me. I think a factory turbo would attract the type of people who wouldn't respect this car for what it is. The aftermarket will serve this car well and we'll appreciate it even more.

lets see...
FR-S turbo with warranty or FR-S with aftermarket turbo and no warranty.
tough decision.

a $30k(turbo version) Scion DOESN'T make sense for their teenage target market but a $30k Subaru would be normal
I'm curious to see if the Subaru (higher end model) would HAVE turbo since Subaru can justify it.

[moniz]

Originally Posted by jcX4ever

Then don't press the gas all the way down if you don't want 100% of its power. I wonder if your car is not equipped with that pedal you step on your right foot.

I don't know why people who already purchased are hating the turbo concept... What if some of us here just want to drive in a straight line and just drag race? Turbo lag, balance -- all those excuses. A really balanced car should also be fast in straight line. No, a 15 second car is not fast enough for some people. Everyone has their own need.

Then buy a car that does that or make the car you bought do that. Your favorite car or manufacturer doesn't owe you, me or anyone else whatever car you want. If they want to make it or sell it then great, but if they don't, then bitching about it as a "fail" is pointless. And like I said, it's a matter of preference. Just because you "need" a car faster than 15 seconds doesn't mean Toyota(or any other car maker) needs to make it for you. And you're definition of balanced is exactly that, YOURS. The 86 team have theirs and made a car according to it. Doesn't mean they're right, doesn't mean you are either.

Originally Posted by ed209

i just think this thread is full of people in denial. turbo lag, are we kidding here? how many of you complaining about turbo lag have ever even driven a turbo car, much less owned one. the boost threshold on my 400whp evo was about 3400 rpm and not a single fuck was given in regard to turbo lag...

Yes I've owned one. Fun and lag was never an issue, but for me, not the be all or end all in a requirement for a fun, quick, great handling car. Still prefer my power NA, but again, my preference and I'm lucky the FR-S comes that way. If it didn't, I'd probably be considering something else. If they offer a turbo version in the future for you power hungry guys, then great, but don't sit there and compain that the car is powerful enough. It's just not powerful enough FOR YOU!

[Razz]

Originally Posted by 20valvewynn83

That's strange my Toyota rep told me Toyota was already working on making a turbo for the next generation scion frs

And you believed him?

They have developed a SC, but that doesn't mean they will release it.

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by hachiroku

What doesn’t make sense to us about this reasoning however, is that since the U.S. enjoys some of the lowest car pricing available in the world, why would the higher priced turbo and convertible models make sense (price wise) in other markets but not in the U.S.

Perfect sense; they take too huge a loss on each vehicle sold to sell it at US prices.

[bimmerboy]

I really don't think FHI/Toyota can stuff that new subaru DI 2.0 turbo engine into these cars and sell them to the US for under 30k, as they are clearly going to use that for the new WRX.. Maybe the turbo DI 1.6 engine? or a N/A monster with 8k redline?

Even if they just upgraded the suspension w/ aluminum bits and some springs, better rims/tires, brembo brakes, and some wider fenders, i'm sure the car would sell like hot-cakes.

[20valvewynn83]

Originally Posted by Razz

And you believed him?

They have developed a SC, but that doesn't mean they will release it.

Considering he knew more about the FRS then we did before it was released. Yeah he's trust worthy. Not everyone is perfect and right all the time but I still feel I can believe his words.

I don't know until I see it but I wouldnt say he is wrong because he said they are working on it for the next generation. Doesn't bean they will make it a production car but the thought is in Toyotas mind and that's good for me.

[ed209]

dealers don't know SHIT. they may try to think they do but they know nothing more than the average consumer does. anyone with a half a brain and a modicum of internet savvy can outsmart a dealer.

[Mr. Mcoupe]

[quik1987]

Not sure if I see the 2.0L turbo engine from the legacy going in this, maybe they will use this instead