Super sensitive steering?

[Mr.ac]

Originally Posted by rvoll

So when are you trading in your BRZ for a Pacifica? You have a great handling car in your MR2 Turbo. Now you need a Pacifica for the drag strip....

Actually I been eyeing a Range Rover. But there are other contenders in that market.
But it's not a mini van but a van something like this.
https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/WM...53a19baa9f4229

[rvoll]

Originally Posted by Mr.ac

Actually I been eyeing a Range Rover. But there are other contenders in that market.
But it's not a mini van but a van something like this.

Stop wasting your time posting and go get your Range Rover so you can be happy with your wheels. The more you drive your BRZ, the more you'll think of yourself as a loser.

(You can pay my psychoanalysts fee later.)

I actually prefer this type of minivan since I'm obviously not as flamboyant as you.....

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vXp7XOpH1I"]450hp Turbo Minivan beats GTR and Viper - YouTube[/ame]

I don't care about wings, paint jobs, wide wheels, loud exhausts, lowered bodies, etc. Just give me performance....

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Mr.ac

I see what you did there. Sly dog.
Let me rephrase that, any modern mini van. In the last 5-6 years. Given there was only 2 '17's and numbers where impressive.



I track a freaking MR2 Turbo. Heard of it? Coming from that yes it actually has better steering than the 86.

No monkey business involved that is just how far the lists go. The only one that is way back is the Caravan and that is still at 7.8 for 2017.
I did miss listed the Sienna which does come close but is still not the speed demon you said ALL minivans are.

[krayzie]

Originally Posted by Mr.ac

Oh and everything is better in my MR2 especially the steering.

It feels better because it's hydraulic, but not better being a slower rack with a truck sized steering wheel by today's standard.

To get the 13 to 1 ratio quick steering rack from STI a long time ago was a couple thousand dollar option in Japan. Add a small steering wheel into the mix and power assist becomes necessary for a daily.

Sports cars like the BRZ just don't feel as connected as ones from 25+ years ago regardless of price.

[rvoll]

Originally Posted by krayzie

Sports cars like the BRZ just don't feel as connected as ones from 25+ years ago regardless of price.

My first new car was a 69 TR6. Before that, I had a Volvo P1800. And I've been driving sports cars for the past 55 years including a number of Porsches. I just don't know what you mean by "connected". Each sports car was different -- some were smoother, some were minimalistic. The TR6 was connected because you could feel every bump in the road through your butt and steering wheel, but it was nowhere near as precise as the BRZ. Every time you turned a corner on unsmooth pavement, your car just hopped all over the place. Is that being connected? I started buying Porsches in the mid-80's and those early models were not as precise as today's BRZ and they had rather numb steering and just felt loose. Later Porsches, with all of the comfort stuff added, were less connected than our BRZ.

Just before buying the BRZ, I drove a 74 TR6 in really good condition. It was rough and felt like a bucket of bolts compared to any new sports car, i.e., it brought back memories. If better handling, more precise steering, better seats, and better suspension is seen as less "connected", then I'm not sure I understand the term....

[Jordanwolf]

Originally Posted by Mr.ac

Hum. I guess you forgot to read the part of my siggy that I track my '91 MR2
So anyone that's ever driven or heard about it should know the talent/luck it comes driving that beast.
Oh and everything is better in my MR2 especially the steering. So there you go. If you don't know drive one.

The fuq is your problem lmao.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Jordanwolf

The fuq is your problem lmao.

Well you know how those MR2 fanbois can be!

[SCQTT]

My van does 0-60 in 6.8 and the 1/4 in 15.3, so you better bring your A game when it comes to shifting, lol.........But that's not the point.

With a 5,400 + curb weight and 0.60 skid pad, the van would be well in the rear view mirrors in any situation that would count.

If someone purchased a twin for stop light to stop light street cred they are the one that needs some help.

[rvoll]

Originally Posted by SCQTT

My van does 0-60 in 6.8 and the 1/4 in 15.3, so you better bring your A game when it comes to shifting, lol.........But that's not the point.

With a 5,400 + curb weight and 0.60 skid pad, the van would be well in the rear view mirrors in any situation that would count.

If someone purchased a twin for stop light to stop light street cred they are the one that needs some help.

What unmodified van does 0-60 in 6.8? Did you measure the time or was it done by a professional. The fastest times recorded by professionals are for the Sienna at 7.0. The manual BRZ was timed at 6.1. When timing, most tests for automatics just step on the gas and let the car do the work primarily because of stability control which doesn't really allow stepping on both the gas and brake at the same time. They rarely use "sport mode" or manual shifting. Last time I looked, 6.1 was quite a bit faster than 6.8 -- but what do I know....

That said, I totally agree that a twin is NOT a dragster by any stretch of the imagination....

[PhyrraM]

The raw acceleration numbers don't mean much to how it feels on the street. All those minivans have automatics and getting maximum acceleration is as simple as stomping the throttle and keeping pointed away from and solid objects. It seems most Twins are sold as manuals with a significant portion sold to first time manual transmission drivers. Unless your skilled enough, and showy enough, to slip the clutch and keep the RPMs over the torque dip your gonna be slower than the minivan.

Published acceleration numbers are produced by abusing the car....significantly more destructive with a stick than a 'smoosh your foot' automatic.

[HKz]

Originally Posted by PhyrraM

The raw acceleration numbers don't mean much to how it feels on the street. All those minivans have automatics and getting maximum acceleration is as simple as stomping the throttle and keeping pointed away from and solid objects. It seems most Twins are sold as manuals with a significant portion sold to first time manual transmission drivers. Unless your skilled enough, and showy enough, to slip the clutch and keep the RPMs over the torque dip your gonna be slower than the minivan.

Published acceleration numbers are produced by abusing the car....significantly more destructive with a stick than a 'smoosh your foot' automatic.

not at all...the only important thing here is making sure you aren't short shifting. if you are, then yes it will probably be a losing race..but if you are shifting above 6 K in each gear then you shouldn't lose..doesn't take much skill to do that. the folks that don't want to rev it out probably bought the wrong car.

[PhyrraM]

I should have clarified. I meant at launch. You need to avoid the torque dip at launch or you're "slow". Other than that, I agree with you.

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[SCQTT]

Originally Posted by rvoll

What unmodified van does 0-60 in 6.8? Did you measure the time or was it done by a professional. The fastest times recorded by professionals are for the Sienna at 7.0. The manual BRZ was timed at 6.1. When timing, most tests for automatics just step on the gas and let the car do the work primarily because of stability control which doesn't really allow stepping on both the gas and brake at the same time. They rarely use "sport mode" or manual shifting. Last time I looked, 6.1 was quite a bit faster than 6.8 -- but what do I know....

That said, I totally agree that a twin is NOT a dragster by any stretch of the imagination....

Ford Transit Ecoboost 310 HP/ 400 ft. lbs. Car & Driver.

Its a freaking van, it drives like a freaking van. That's my point, if you buy a twin for stoplight to stoplight action you are using a saw for a hammer.

[OfficeWorker]

Originally Posted by iBrian

Hey everyone, just picked up a 2014 BRZ Limited w/24k miles on it a few days ago. I've got a bit of a concern and thought I might have the answer but just found out that wasn't the case.

Under hard acceleration, approaching higher speeds 70+ the front end feels super unstable, almost like i'm unable to keep the car in a straight line. I took it in to have the alignment and toe checked and both came back spot on. The car is entirely stock and they checked underneath and didn't see any signs of damage or wear. Cruising at 80+mph I can literally tap the steering in one direction and the car jerks hard. Is this common with the BRZ/FRS?

Does anyone have any suggestions or recommendations? Thanks for the help in advance.

While I cannot say whether this is or is not the result of a mechanical issue in your specific case, I had a very similar sensation when I first got the car. It did not take long to adapt.