Clutch Spring Removal? Effects on TOB

[ermax]

Originally Posted by SLVRSRFR

I had a BMW E90 before this car, which had a dreaded CDV in it (clutch delay valve) which was even WORSE. It made you feel like you had no idea how to drive stick, even as a seasoned manual driver. It would delay the engagement by a split second and was really hard to get the hang of. I never removed it during the 3 years I had the car, but it was a lot more of an involved job than it was to remove the spring from my BRZ, which was thankfully pretty easy over-all. Even with the spring in, the BRZ clutch was still better than the BMW clutch with that god-awful CDV.

My IS300 has the same BS. It was inline with the hydraulics and wasn't to bad to delete. You just took it apart and then gut it out, put it back together and bleed. The other problem with my IS300 is it has ridiculous DBW lag. So between that crap on the clutch damper crap and the DBW lag it makes you feel like an idiot. I also owned a G35 Sedan 6MT which had tons of DBW lag too. It also made you feel like an idiot. I remember the guy that bought it went with me for a test drive and drove it like crap. He kept saying, "I promise I know how to drive a manual". I would just laugh and say it's just how the car is. I was glad to see that car go, hated that thing.

[SLVRSRFR]

Originally Posted by ermax

My IS300 has the same BS. It was inline with the hydraulics and wasn't to bad to delete. You just took it apart and then gut it out, put it back together and bleed. The other problem with my IS300 is it has ridiculous DBW lag. So between that crap on the clutch damper crap and the DBW lag it makes you feel like an idiot. I also owned a G35 Sedan 6MT which had tons of DBW lag too. It also made you feel like an idiot. I remember the guy that bought it went with me for a test drive and drove it like crap. He kept saying, "I promise I know how to drive a manual". I would just laugh and say it's just how the car is. I was glad to see that car go, hated that thing.

There were a couple of instances where I remember uttering that exact same phrase to passengers in my E90 after lurching a shift. lol

[HSUBLU]

I must have a dead foot or something. All of these people saying they can feel the engagement point after removing the spring. All I notice is that the clutch pedal is harder to press (which I do like, don't get me wrong, with the spring in it felt like there was barely any resistance). Maybe with time I'll learn that feeling but I honestly can't tell. That and I'm okay with pressing the pedal past that hair trigger spot to disengage the clutch, means less chance of me screwing it up and grinding horribly.

[nico_rsx]

Originally Posted by ermax

It does both actually. The spring expands pressing the pedal up. Then as you press down on the pedal it compresses the spring until it pivots into the other direction and then starts expanding again helping press the pedal the rest of the way to the floor.



Perfect solution would probably be a replacement spring that has enough force to hold the pedal up but not enough to assist (mask) the pressure plate.

Ok, that make sense thanks.


Mtec make a replacement spring that has a lot less force, but still more than no spring at all.


http://www.ft86speedfactory.com/mtec...ring-1839.html

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by HSUBLU

I must have a dead foot or something. All of these people saying they can feel the engagement point after removing the spring. All I notice is that the clutch pedal is harder to press (which I do like, don't get me wrong, with the spring in it felt like there was barely any resistance). Maybe with time I'll learn that feeling but I honestly can't tell. That and I'm okay with pressing the pedal past that hair trigger spot to disengage the clutch, means less chance of me screwing it up and grinding horribly.

I or Dee-Kay can help you with the slave cyl swap. All this gushing over removing the spring has me SMH.

[HSUBLU]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

I or Dee-Kay can help you with the slave cyl swap. All this gushing over removing the spring has me SMH.

I'm afraid of going back to @Decay107 's place... dude's gonna try and get me to install a catless pipe if i go there again.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by HSUBLU

I'm afraid of going back to @Decay107 's place... dude's gonna try and get me to install a catless pipe if i go there again.

Like a dog on a bone. He's still trying to get me to join the miata club.

Be strong.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by HSUBLU

I'm afraid of going back to @Decay107 's place... dude's gonna try and get me to install a catless pipe if i go there again.

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

Like a dog on a bone. He's still trying to get me to join the miata club.

Be strong.

Well he has to unload some vehicles on somebody. Or put another layer in his garage.

[Decay107]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Well he has to unload some vehicles on somebody. Or put another layer in his garage.

The miata has to live outside now

[Decay107]

Originally Posted by HSUBLU

I'm afraid of going back to @Decay107 's place... dude's gonna try and get me to install a catless pipe if i go there again.

Don't let that butcher @Ultramaroon touch your car. I know for a fact he re-uses banjo bolt crush washers

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Decay107

The miata has to live outside now

I heard. Maybe it can return to the wild.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by Decay107

Don't let that butcher @Ultramaroon touch your car. I know for a fact he re-uses banjo bolt crush washers

*sigh* another quarter turn and everyone would've been happy.

[Decay107]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

*sigh* another quarter turn and everyone would've been happy.

Wanna know a secret? I reused them on the miata brake calipers

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by Decay107

Wanna know a secret? I reused them on the miata brake calipers

lol