Twins future question

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Wise

I wonder if Tetsuya Tada will remain the chief engineer if they do make a follow up model. I'm pretty sure he's still working on the BMW/Toyota coupe (Supra, FT-1 or whatever you call it).

The next model could go either way.

Toyota in the late 80's early 90's was killing it with follow up cars. The MKIV Supra, SW20 MR2 were some of the best models ever offered by Toyota.

Though it's important to remember that the SW20 and MKIV Supra were significantly more expensive than their predecessors. A brand new MKIII Supra, for example, was around 20k (40k adjusted for inflation) in 1987. The MKIV was $45k (75k adjusted for inflation) in 1993. Almost double the price.

He has already announced his retirement.

[funwheeldrive]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

He has already announced his retirement.

All hope is lost.

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

He has already announced his retirement.

That's seriously sort of disheartening.
Combine that with the news this morning that Toyota wants to aggressively cut cost on conventional cars in favor of EVs and hybrids, that really kind of scares me for the fate of the twins...


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[bkharmony]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

That's seriously sort of disheartening.
Combine that with the news this morning that Toyota wants to aggressively cut cost on conventional cars in favor of EVs and hybrids, that really kind of scares me for the fate of the twins...

I don't know. I'm reading a lot of talk about sportier cars being a good profit center for carmakers. The thing is, there's little margin in people-movers,and Korea/China/India can do that type of vehicle cheaper than Toyota/Honda/Ford and make a profit. I think there's still a decent future for specific-use cars (e.g. performance) that people will pay a premium for. The 86 falls into that category.

[bkharmony]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Not even a quote just some fine editing.

Please don't use these clickbait's as "evidence" of anything.

Did you click through and read the article? They actually spoke to Tada in person, which is far more than most of these pieces do. I find it odd to call a review that interviews and quotes high-level Toyota executives "clickbait." Might want to tap the brakes on that term.

Anyway, according to this article - that again, spoke to the Chief Engineer in person - the 86 doesn't need heavy bracing to make a convertible. That was the topic I replied to, that was my point. "Evidence" is a loaded term that I did not use.

As far as the "Mark II," you'll have to explain why that bothered you enough to bold and point it out, because I don't see a problem with it. Would you consider any version of this car since its inception to be different enough to be called "Mark II?"

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by bkharmony

Did you click through and read the article? They actually spoke to Tada in person, which is far more than most of these pieces do. I find it odd to call a review that interviews and quotes high-level Toyota executives "clickbait." Might want to tap the brakes on that term.

Anyway, according to this article - that again, spoke to the Chief Engineer in person - the 86 doesn't need heavy bracing to make a convertible. That was the topic I replied to, that was my point. "Evidence" is a loaded term that I did not use.

As far as the "Mark II," you'll have to explain why that bothered you enough to bold and point it out, because I don't see a problem with it. Would you consider any version of this car since its inception to be different enough to be called "Mark II?"

You put far too much faith in what the writers say as being real and actual quotes to them.


Not only did I read the article I quoted it:


"The updates add just 17.6 pounds to the new model, Tada says. Note the period at the end of this. The article reads as if they are referring to the convertible. They are not.
"Toyota and Subaru engineered this chassis to accommodate a convertible version without the need for heavy bracing, but that won’t happen with this generation model." This is not even attributed to being a quote but is simply the writer's statement. There are about 3 whole lines of "quotes" throughout the whole thing.


Tada would like a convertible from the get-go for a second-generation model, but he hinted that Toyota has yet to sign off on an 86 Mark II. Once again no quote just a writer saying he "would like" one. The Mark II is bolded because even if Tada did say it (which I doubt since they use the word "hint") he isn't saying the convertible isn't confirmed but the whole damned next gen.


You have fallen for the click bait trap that has swallowed so many before you.

[PetrolioBenzina]

The people on this forum, probably just this thread, are a tiny minority of owners who want this car to get better by being lesser suited to the masses of drones. I cant think of one mainstream car that got better the way a small bunch of nuts wanted it to. The 86 is a better car than the FR-S, but not anywhere near the bare bones nuttiness. If it survives, it will do so by growing up and leaving the kids behind.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by PetrolioBenzina

The people on this forum, probably just this thread, are a tiny minority of owners who want this car to get better by being lesser suited to the masses of drones. I cant think of one mainstream car that got better the way a small bunch of nuts wanted it to. The 86 is a better car than the FR-S, but not anywhere near bare bones nuttiness. If it survives, it will do so by growing up and leaving the kids behind.

THIS FREAKIN' THIS


Like car's progression is strongly recorded in automotive history and the cars either evolve to meet the masses or die trying to please the "enthusiasts".

[PetrolioBenzina]

Those of you that can afford to do so would be better off buying a new "first-gen" FR-S or BRZ and sticking it in a barn somewhere. Whatever happens to it, it will never be as good (to the nuts) as the first generation.

The one thing I miss going from an FR-S to an 86 is the crudeness and the sense of always being on the edge of a crash when pushed. The 86 is "better" in every way, but it got there by sanding the edges off. Toyota will not be adding edges.

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by bkharmony

I don't know. I'm reading a lot of talk about sportier cars being a good profit center for carmakers. The thing is, there's little margin in people-movers,and Korea/China/India can do that type of vehicle cheaper than Toyota/Honda/Ford and make a profit. I think there's still a decent future for specific-use cars (e.g. performance) that people will pay a premium for. The 86 falls into that category.

Very good point. Lets hope 😊


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[PetrolioBenzina]

Originally Posted by bkharmony

I don't know. I'm reading a lot of talk about sportier cars being a good profit center for carmakers. The thing is, there's little margin in people-movers,and Korea/China/India can do that type of vehicle cheaper than Toyota/Honda/Ford and make a profit. I think there's still a decent future for specific-use cars (e.g. performance) that people will pay a premium for. The 86 falls into that category.

Except the 86 is going to evolve away from that. The only people willing to pay a "premium" for a low powered car are right here in this thread. It has to appeal to more people than just us.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by bkharmony

I don't know. I'm reading a lot of talk about sportier cars being a good profit center for carmakers. The thing is, there's little margin in people-movers,and Korea/China/India can do that type of vehicle cheaper than Toyota/Honda/Ford and make a profit. I think there's still a decent future for specific-use cars (e.g. performance) that people will pay a premium for. The 86 falls into that category.

Little margin but volume rules. Even less margin in the performance cars and no volume to make up for it. Paying a premium for a car does not mean they made more money. Ford has openly said they lose a pile on every single Mustang GT or higher that they sell and don't care because they sell about a bazillion lower trims because of them.

[funwheeldrive]

Originally Posted by PetrolioBenzina

The one thing I miss going from an FR-S to an 86 is the crudeness and the sense of always being on the edge of a crash when pushed.

Lol what? The FRS is very easy to control at the limit, especially compared to other RWD sports cars.

[PetrolioBenzina]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

Lol what? The FRS is very easy to control at the limit, especially compared to other RWD sports cars.

Thats' what I meant, thanks.