Twins future question

[PetrolioBenzina]

Originally Posted by RallySport

Next iteration will use a similar ICE but will also include electricification for torque fill. Cheers.

What fool would spend over 30K on an 86?

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by PetrolioBenzina

What fool would spend over 30K on an 86?

I doubt adding a system based on Prius hardware would add much cost. Bolt the electric motors from the Prius to the diff, drop the controller and a super capacitor (like Mazda) under the trunk floor and bam, 70 extra horses.


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[bkharmony]

Originally Posted by driftguy

I still wish they'd build this. Or a targa top. Any open top motoring option would be a dream come true.

FYI:

http://www.automobilemag.com/news/fi...017-toyota-86/

"The updates add just 17.6 pounds to the new model, Tada says. Toyota and Subaru engineered this chassis to accommodate a convertible version without the need for heavy bracing, but that won’t happen with this generation model. Tada would like a convertible from the get-go for a second-generation model, but he hinted that Toyota has yet to sign off on an 86 Mark II."

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by extrashaky

On one hand, you have a fake news PR hack issuing a press release opining about the intent of the design after essentially contradicting himself in the first sentence.

I'll take a press release that was reviewed by dozens of important people before publication over one executive mouthing off to the press.

There is a direct contradiction in the two statements: "it was designed to turn into a convertible" and "it was never designed to be a convertible"

You can believe whatever you want and try and pick apart and psychoanalyze till the cows come home. One company said "hell yeah lets do this" and the other said "hell no". The truth is somewhere in the middle of course.

Originally Posted by PetrolioBenzina

What fool would spend over 30K on an 86?

There are people who payed >$40k when they were brand spankin' new back in 2012 when supply was low and demand was high. Nothing special either except for a double side taped on body kit, exhaust, and wheels.

What's a real shame is that money when to a slimy dealer and not the people who put blood sweat and tears into this thing.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by bkharmony

FYI:

http://www.automobilemag.com/news/fi...017-toyota-86/

"The updates add just 17.6 pounds to the new model, Tada says. Toyota and Subaru engineered this chassis to accommodate a convertible version without the need for heavy bracing, but that won’t happen with this generation model. Tada would like a convertible from the get-go for a second-generation model, but he hinted that Toyota has yet to sign off on an 86 Mark II."

The updates add just 17.6 pounds to the new model, Tada says.
Toyota and Subaru engineered this chassis to accommodate a convertible version without the need for heavy bracing, but that won’t happen with this generation model. Tada would like a convertible from the get-go for a second-generation model, but he hinted that Toyota has yet to sign off on an 86 Mark II.

Not even a quote just some fine editing.

Please don't use these clickbait's as "evidence" of anything.
Hell, they didn't even take their own pictures for this they just used stock Toyota ones.

[Summerwolf]

Unless they make some serious power improvements I hope they let the car die. That way a clean example will wind up not being so quick to depreciate.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

Unless they make some serious power improvements I hope they let the car die. That way a clean example will wind up not being so quick to depreciate.

Fuck that, crank out hundreds of thousands of them so parts are cheap and aftermarket is strong so I can track this thing until I'm too old.

I want this to be the hardtop miata that the 240sx promised before drift tax kicked in.

[Wise]

I wonder if Tetsuya Tada will remain the chief engineer if they do make a follow up model. I'm pretty sure he's still working on the BMW/Toyota coupe (Supra, FT-1 or whatever you call it).

The next model could go either way.

Toyota in the late 80's early 90's was killing it with follow up cars. The MKIV Supra, SW20 MR2 were some of the best models ever offered by Toyota.

Though it's important to remember that the SW20 and MKIV Supra were significantly more expensive than their predecessors. A brand new MKIII Supra, for example, was around 20k (40k adjusted for inflation) in 1987. The MKIV was $45k (75k adjusted for inflation) in 1993. Almost double the price.

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

I'd say for the next gen there's an 75% chance of a performance hybrid, a 20% chance of displacement upped to ~2.5, and a 5% chance of forced induction.

From my perspective, it would make more sense for Subaru to use the opportunity to develop an updated h6 than to go back to a 2.5 h4 in the unlikely scenario they go with a displacement increase.

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Fuck that, crank out hundreds of thousands of them so parts are cheap and aftermarket is strong so I can track this thing until I'm too old.

I want this to be the hardtop miata that the 240sx promised before drift tax kicked in.

Agreed.

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by Spuds

From my perspective, it would make more sense for Subaru to use the opportunity to develop an updated h6 than to go back to a 2.5 h4 in the unlikely scenario they go with a displacement increase.

That would be amazing.


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[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by extrashaky

I recall articles stating that the car was not designed with a convertible variant in mind, and that the added bracing that would be required to turn it into a convertible without it folding like a taco would raise the center of gravity and make it heavy and sluggish. Same thing with the hatch and targa tops. The roof, rear pillars and back glass frame are all structural and contribute to the stiffness of the vehicle without adding as much weight as the bracing that would be required to replace them. Even the two ridges in the roof are structural and add stiffness.

Don't disagree with any of this, as I said not confirmed.

At any rate, I doubt we will see any type of open air version of this with the current model. If it happens at all I don't think it would happen until MK2 at this point.

[Yoshoobaroo]

Considering a typical 7-8 year model cycle, we should be seeing MK2 prototypes being spied within the next year I would think? The Supra/Z5 prototypes have been running around the ring for years now.


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[SlowCarFast]

I wish* they would create a sub 35k 370z competitor. Drop in the fa20dit, strengthen the transmission, make the suspension a little more aggressive, and throw on some sticky tires and call it a day.


I think that they will actually just increment on the current platform. Slightly heavier. Slightly faster. Slightly larger. More broad appeal. Turn it into a rwd Accord coupe with only one motor option.