Opinions on new alignment/help with turning issue

[cmurp96]

Hello. I jsut got a new alignment on my 2013 Scion Fr-S. I have Brand new rear tires and soon to be new front tires. My tires are Michelin PILOT SPORT AS3+ B9CR02RX-0817 -- 225/40ZR18, and my rims are 18inch enkei rims. I was having problems before when it came to certain left hand turns at around 40 degree apprx 60mph. I was hoping this alignment would fix it but it did not. WHenever I would make a turn at those measurements my traction control comes on and almost causes me to wreck bc it locks up my car. So since I am out of ideas I was hoping someone could tell me if this is normal for this car to do that driving on an every road, and i am just expecting too much. Below is my alignment specs. Thanks guys lmk what u think of the alignment specs

[Clee]

Are you slipping when turning that fast? How about turning off traction control

[cmurp96]

Originally Posted by Clee

Are you slipping when turning that fast? How about turning off traction control

It doesnt really feeling like I am slipping. Its like Once i get halfway through the turn the car just cuts that shit on and like i said it can cause me to wreck bc it locks up the breaks or the tires...I would turn it off my i am scared i would crash or something lol. Im just curious as to if the car should be able to handle that. Mine is lowered 1.5inches so that should help as well

[swarb]

Most likely driver skill not high enough or speed too high. Try smoother inputs or slowing down.
It could also be that brand new tires need to be broken in.

[cmurp96]

Originally Posted by swarb

Most likely driver skill not high enough or speed too high. Try smoother inputs or slowing down.
It could also be that brand new tires need to be broken in.

This was happening before the new tires when i had ones broken in. EIther the car is not made for it, something is wrong. I am not a professional driver by no means but I race at VIR where I am at and know how to properly handle a car, respectively.

[swarb]

Originally Posted by cmurp96

It doesnt really feeling like I am slipping. Its like Once i get halfway through the turn the car just cuts that shit on and like i said it can cause me to wreck bc it locks up the breaks or the tires...I would turn it off my i am scared i would crash or something lol. Im just curious as to if the car should be able to handle that. Mine is lowered 1.5inches so that should help as well

Originally Posted by cmurp96

This was happening before the new tires when i had ones broken in. EIther the car is not made for it, something is wrong. I am not a professional driver by no means but I race at VIR where I am at and know how to properly handle a car, respectively.

The limits are relatively low with the traction control on, it's not a porsche.
In the middle of the turn is where the most g's are likely to happen.
If you know how to properly handle a car, why do you even have traction control on?

Try sport mode or turning traction control off.
Do the same turn multiple of times with it on and off. If you "know how to properly handle a car" and do it multiple times, I don't see why it would be unsafe.

What suspension are you on? This car is known to hit bump stops deep into a turn which could unsettle it. Springs lower than 1inch or have soft rates have this problem.

Do you turn traction control off at VIR?

[Tcoat]

"40 degrees at 60mph"? This is on a track right?

Of course the traction control kicks in since you are starting to drift at that angle and speed. Reduce the angle or reduce the speed.

[navanodd]

Have you ever changed your diff fluid? Torsen may be misbehaving.

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by cmurp96

It doesnt really feeling like I am slipping. Its like Once i get halfway through the turn the car just cuts that shit on and like i said it can cause me to wreck bc it locks up the breaks or the tires...I would turn it off my i am scared i would crash or something lol. Im just curious as to if the car should be able to handle that. Mine is lowered 1.5inches so that should help as well

Well now, cmurp96, since you have put larger wheels with wider tires on the car and lowered it, you have pretty much messed with the stock dynamics.

The car with its OEM suspension and wheels should not be "scary" when the nannies help out ..... yep, kind of a "whoa - what was that" ..... but not scary, when driven on average roads.

Like eluded to above, I would recommend that you either engage the nannies and learn how to work with them ....... OR, turn them off and learn how to drive the car all by yourself........


humfrz

[krayzie]

Where would you make a 40 degree turn at 60mph on public roads? A highway ramp?

[cmurp96]

Originally Posted by swarb

The limits are relatively low with the traction control on, it's not a porsche.
In the middle of the turn is where the most g's are likely to happen.
If you know how to properly handle a car, why do you even have traction control on?

Try sport mode or turning traction control off.
Do the same turn multiple of times with it on and off. If you "know how to properly handle a car" and do it multiple times, I don't see why it would be unsafe.

What suspension are you on? This car is known to hit bump stops deep into a turn which could unsettle it. Springs lower than 1inch or have soft rates have this problem.

Do you turn traction control off at VIR?

By no means am I a professional I simply meant I am not a 16 year old who just learned how to drive. I can drive well on a closed track that is suited for it. I will try that but before I did I wanted to get opinions. I have been told it couldbe the bump stops but idk how that works as i am not a car mechanic

[cmurp96]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

"40 degrees at 60mph"? This is on a track right?

Of course the traction control kicks in since you are starting to drift at that angle and speed. Reduce the angle or reduce the speed.

No this is everyday road. This is what I was looking for if the car is able to handle this

[cmurp96]

Originally Posted by navanodd

Have you ever changed your diff fluid? Torsen may be misbehaving.

No I called Toyota to do it about a months ago and they would not do it bc they do not "recommend it"

[cmurp96]

Originally Posted by krayzie

Where would you make a 40 degree turn at 60mph on public roads? A highway ramp?

No I live in the city but we own land around our house and there is a plant nearby with a long road length that curves. I have good location for driving my beauty