BRZ D4S bulb ?

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by zAnSh1n

you mean, cooler?

different strokes for different folks :]

on another note, will both the brz and fr-s share the same projectors?

Nope, the BRZ has HID projectors (bi xenons at that) and the FR-S just has halogen projectors.

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by tranzformer

I can only hope we get something along the lines of a S2000/TSX setups. But I am doubtful.

Please. Worst case scenario lenses can be switched. Beyond that I'm really loathe to take the lights apart.

[zAnSh1n]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

Nope, the BRZ has HID projectors (bi xenons at that) and the FR-S just has halogen projectors.

oh yea, duh... sorry about that, forgot the brz's were bi-xenon

[Sportsguy83]

^Spambot Bitch

[nigel-jdmparts]

Originally Posted by Longhorn248

$40-50 is about what you'll be paying per bulb, and I would stay away from eBay since there are a lot of counterfeit bulbs. If you're a real baller you can look for Phillips Ultinons which are illegal in the US but put out crazy amounts of light, they only set you back $200 a pair

Real Philips Ultinons are very Rare!!
And they are more than $200 a pair.


Philips Ultinon D4S 6000K

[Drift Monkey]

I'd probably do the opposite and run 3000k in the headlights. It's worked well for me in the past...

[kevinnivek8877]

Does anyone know if these bulbs can be replaced by a simple plug-n-play with any D4S bulbs or does it have to be specifically BiXenon?

[Jeff Lange]

D4S is D4S.

Bi-Xenon has nothing to do with the bulb.

Jeff

[Draco-REX]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lange

D4S is D4S.

Bi-Xenon has nothing to do with the bulb.

Jeff

This.

The "Bi-Xenon" effect is actually made by changing the internals of the projector. On most, the shield that makes the cutoff in the low-beam pattern is withdrawn. I believe the higher end cars actually move the reflector as well.

But that's why HIDs always have such extreme cutoff. The bulbs put out so much light that they can work as high-beams.

[Sony]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

Please. Worst case scenario lenses can be switched. Beyond that I'm really loathe to take the lights apart.

Nope, BEST case you have to replace the reflector, lenses and housing and all the mechanical bits that control the Bi-Xenon function. HID's because they are arc lamps and not filament based like Halogen's require a different reflector and optics in order to collect the light and focus it properly. Also HID lamps have a different LCL (Light Center Length) than their Halogen counterparts. Honestly it would be easier to just buy HID housings, Then you just need to mount the Ballasts which shouldn't be hard as well as wire up the Bi-Xenon functions (which with a good kit would be wired in automatically into the ballast.)

People who just take HID lamps and stick them in Halogen housings are the EXACT people who blind oncoming drivers with shitty headlight focus and piss me off to no end. Buy a proper fucking HID housing or stick with Halogens, otherwise you have no business on the road, causing accidents with your crappy headlights just because they look "cool."

Trust me...I'm a theatre/concert lighting designer by trade, I know what I'm talking about. I deal with HID lamps 50 times the size of our little D4S's on a daily basis.

[Sony]

Originally Posted by Draco-REX

This.

The "Bi-Xenon" effect is actually made by changing the internals of the projector. On most, the shield that makes the cutoff in the low-beam pattern is withdrawn. I believe the higher end cars actually move the reflector as well.

But that's why HIDs always have such extreme cutoff. The bulbs put out so much light that they can work as high-beams.

This ^^

The Bi-Xenon effect in our lamps are created by the placement and removal of a "shield" or as we call it in our industry a "shutter" into the light path at a specific focal point in the optics, which creates the hard line you see in projection on the wall. Which is why most HID's you see require more than just a reflector to work properly, they have those huge front lenses that we now see as common in HID setups. The lenses are required to create that hard edged beam which cannot be created with a reflector alone. The High Beams are just a solenoid removing the shield from the light path which creates a full beam.

Most common halogen's create high beams in a completely different way. The first and most common way is to use a lamp with 2 filaments, one filament has a sheild around the bottom half of the filament which blocks light coming out of the bottom. This reflects light only from the top portion of the reflector housing which reflects the light downwards onto the road creating the low beams. The Second filament has no reflector which means the entire reflector housing is used, throwing light in all directions, not just down. The second type of system just uses the same premise but uses two different lamps, in two separate reflectors, one lamp has a shield, one does not. There is one more way which is similar to/the same as the Bi-Xenon way except using Halogen lamps, however this is rare. From what I have seen of the FRS/BRZ Halogen housings, the Halogen housings in our cars using the first 1 lamp 2 filament type High/Low Beams.

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by Sony

Nope, BEST case you have to replace the reflector, lenses and housing and all the mechanical bits that control the Bi-Xenon function. HID's because they are arc lamps and not filament based like Halogen's require a different reflector and optics in order to collect the light and focus it properly. Also HID lamps have a different LCL (Light Center Length) than their Halogen counterparts. Honestly it would be easier to just buy HID housings, Then you just need to mount the Ballasts which shouldn't be hard as well as wire up the Bi-Xenon functions (which with a good kit would be wired in automatically into the ballast.)

People who just take HID lamps and stick them in Halogen housings are the EXACT people who blind oncoming drivers with shitty headlight focus and piss me off to no end. Buy a proper fucking HID housing or stick with Halogens, otherwise you have no business on the road, causing accidents with your crappy headlights just because they look "cool."

Trust me...I'm a theatre/concert lighting designer by trade, I know what I'm talking about. I deal with HID lamps 50 times the size of our little D4S's on a daily basis.

I'm not sure what I was thinking when I posted that, but re-reading this thread it looks like I was responding to wishes of an S2K HID retrofit. Those babies are the best thing that have ever come on a car; I simply expressed my desire for that to happen and mentioned that lenses from the BRZ (which has HIDs mind you..) could be swapped with a clearer lens from another model of HID light (STI HID lights come with a "frosted" lens). I never even mentioned HID/halogen swap, because it's dumb and I know better. BRZ won me over the FR-S on that alone...

[Sony]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

I'm not sure what I was thinking when I posted that, but re-reading this thread it looks like I was responding to wishes of an S2K HID retrofit. Those babies are the best thing that have ever come on a car; I simply expressed my desire for that to happen and mentioned that lenses from the BRZ (which has HIDs mind you..) could be swapped with a clearer lens from another model of HID light (STI HID lights come with a "frosted" lens). I never even mentioned HID/halogen swap, because it's dumb and I know better. BRZ won me over the FR-S on that alone...

Oh wow...I didn't realize that the spambot necroposted this thread....well shit. Oh well! Now we all know how the headlamps work in our cars because I just explained the whole thing. xD