Recommendation for track lapping day setup

[renfield90]

Originally Posted by Calvin27

It's not actually hard to cook the brakes - this car is no exception.

Just wanna +1 this bit specifically. FYI for OP, the heat tolerance you need in the pad is largely a function of horsepower, weight, and rotor size.

My Celica had oversized front rotors given it's light weight (2350 without driver) and horsepower, and still cooked the OEM pads. A twin that's heavier, with more horsepower, and (IMHO) marginal rotor size is going to toast those pads seven ways to Sunday. The upgraded pads that I used thereafter on the Celica (HP+) did not have a high enough heat range to work on the FRS well for more than a handful of laps.

[wparsons]

If you're cooking pads on the stock tires on your first day, you're probably not braking properly. Relying on ABS adds a TON of heat to the pads.

In any case, there's nothing wrong with getting pads/fluid before, but I've seen a lot of beginners do just fine in BRZ/FRS' on a track that is brutal on braking systems (CTMP DDT).

It also HEAVILY depends on what the track is like. You could probably run at 10/10th's all day in a stockish hp twin at CTMP GP track on stock pads/fluid with sticky tires, but at the DDT right next door you might get 1 hot lap in.

GP:
[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuoL2BDoeGE"]JRP Lapping - CTMP GP - YouTube[/ame]

DDT:
[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XAwMP9Hnu8"]CTMP DDT - Lapping with Hanson International - YouTube[/ame]



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[Calvin27]

Originally Posted by wparsons

If you're cooking pads on the stock tires on your first day, you're probably not braking properly. Relying on ABS adds a TON of heat to the pads.

Meh? It's the opposite - if you're not cooking the stock brakes, then you are driving it wrong!

Heaps of people cook brakes, even noobs, without abs. No one lap-in lap-out keeps triggering abs. It might happen maybe less than 5 times on a whole track day which is nothing.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Calvin27

Heaps of people cook brakes, even noobs, without abs. No one lap-in lap-out keeps triggering abs. It might happen maybe less than 5 times on a whole track day which is nothing.

Conversly plenty of n00bs will show up and try and be hot shit deep on the brakes all day long, excess ABS usage is absolutely a hallmark of a newb who is driving incorrectly which will contribute to burned up pads.

A good instructor should put a stop to that in under a lap, but there's plenty of evidence that not all casual hpde groups have top notch instructors.

I bet more than a few think they're hot shit because they roasted their pads even though they're driving poorly.

[wparsons]

Originally Posted by Calvin27

Meh? It's the opposite - if you're not cooking the stock brakes, then you are driving it wrong!

Heaps of people cook brakes, even noobs, without abs. No one lap-in lap-out keeps triggering abs. It might happen maybe less than 5 times on a whole track day which is nothing.

Engaging ABS too much, dragging on the brakes too long, etc all contribute to excess heat in the brakes and are typically noob behaviours.

As an instructor, if someone is cooking brakes in a stock FRS/BRZ on most tracks on their very first motorsports experience you've either got a prodigy for a student, or you're letting them overdrive their abilities by a long shot.

[TylerLieberman]

brake fluid brake fluid brake fluid

While a beginner may not use the stock brakes to the full potential, the idea of going to a track day with the piss water oem brake fluid makes me cringe. Fade from the pads is one thing, fade from boiled fluid is another.

Replacing fluid is cheap and easy, and an important safety item for track day prep, in my opinion. That oh sh*t butt-hole puckering moment when you're coming to hairpin after a long straight at 100mph and you press the brake pedal down and nothing happens.... No thanks.

Other than that, I say just leave the car alone and drive. After driving at the track and getting comfortable, you'll start to notice things that you'd like to change. May be an alignment setting or a sway bar change. May be better pads or whatever. No point in spending money on modifying a car when you don't even know what you want/need to modify.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman

brake fluid brake fluid brake fluid

In hindsight, yes.
ATE Typ 200 is $20/L, enough to flush the whole system and should be enough resistance for a n00b and good preventative maintenance for any car owner.