Need some sensible input... to FI or not

[gramicci101]

Mike, while we're all here discussing if FI is a good idea or not, how beneficial is one or two catch cans for a normal street driven vehicle? Is it something that would just be nice to have, or should it be budgeted in from day one?

[Summerwolf]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

There is a way to make power and in general go faster, but very few know how. Check below the only NA car among the monsters:



Additionally, it is an expensive direction. Value for money is to go FI.

So..... where did you come up with an S2K in a FRS thread? NA power with an FA20 is a pretty daunting task.

[JazzleSAURUS]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

And that, is why I daily drive a WRX.

I was dailying my Forester XT for a long time, (5 years ish?) but when my commute was 2h15m/day I decided I wanted something that was new and got good gas mileage and ended up in the twin, sometimes I wish I went with a 15+ WRX but I get all the same thrills in the Forester.

[Summerwolf]

Originally Posted by JazzleSAURUS

I was dailying my Forester XT for a long time, (5 years ish?) but when my commute was 2h15m/day I decided I wanted something that was new and got good gas mileage and ended up in the twin, sometimes I wish I went with a 15+ WRX but I get all the same thrills in the Forester.

I have a forester X as a daily.... so then I get in my BRZ and it is "inspring." Exact opposite scenario to you.

[JazzleSAURUS]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

I have a forester X as a daily.... so then I get in my BRZ and it is "inspring." Exact opposite scenario to you.

Yeah the FXT handles my desire for power, monster grip, and having a riot, the BRZ takes care of the precision driving/driving sensation part of it.

Also the dog fits in the FXT better.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by gramicci101

Mike, while we're all here discussing if FI is a good idea or not, how beneficial is one or two catch cans for a normal street driven vehicle? Is it something that would just be nice to have, or should it be budgeted in from day one?

It really needs to be evaluated on a case-by-case basis.

Check the hoses the catch cans would intercept, for oil. If there is, you will benefit. If they're dry, then the catch cans are moot.

Everyone's habits, needs, and perceptions are different; this is truly a YMMV.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by JazzleSAURUS

Yeah the FXT handles my desire for power, monster grip, and having a riot, the BRZ takes care of the precision driving/driving sensation part of it.

Also the dog fits in the FXT better.

I think you need to experience the CSG WRX (not my wrx; mine is J pipe + @DeliciousTuning flex fuel).

[JazzleSAURUS]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

I think you need to experience the CSG WRX (not my wrx; mine is J pipe + @DeliciousTuning flex fuel).

I would love to.

When will it be coming out to Palmer Motorsports Park so I can take a day off and ride along?

[Jaden]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

There is no real way to make power unless you go with forced induction.


When you start making power there is a huge increase in likelihood of bending rods.


So, yeah.....

You have as many or more completely stock cars bending rods as FI, it's much more likely a quality control issue.

If you have one of the engines with poor quality control, FI MAY or may not cause them to fail prematurely, but it has not been shown that FI will make bending rods any more likely; however, it is important to keep in mind that the rods have been shown to go, so keep it in mind just in general.

Jaden

[wbradley]

I don't want to read the whole thread, but IMHO a centrifugal blower unlocks what this car was really meant to be.

Reason I choose this route, simpler with less possible points of failure than a turbo, and the power curve is consistent with how this car was designed, just turned up a few notches. Under 300 WHP, the internals seem to handle without issue.

And believe me, a properly tuned twin at 276 peak WHP is plenty fast (my car).

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

So..... where did you come up with an S2K in a FRS thread? NA power with an FA20 is a pretty daunting task.

It is possible. ASM is working now with FA20. S2K platform is too old and they have to look the future. Of course, they are still not there. You need years to develop something like this.

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Do I need to remind you what *replicating* that car would cost?

Yes I know. I've spent already in my car the cost of a SC and I am not even close. That's why I said value for money the best option is to go FI.

[Summerwolf]

Originally Posted by Jaden

You have as many or more completely stock cars bending rods as FI, it's much more likely a quality control issue.

If you have one of the engines with poor quality control, FI MAY or may not cause them to fail prematurely, but it has not been shown that FI will make bending rods any more likely; however, it is important to keep in mind that the rods have been shown to go, so keep it in mind just in general.

Jaden

Are you serious right now? You're telling me a stock car will have the SAME likelihood as an FI car to bend rods or have bottom end issues?

Originally Posted by nikitopo

It is possible. ASM is working now with FA20. S2K platform is too old and they have to look the future. Of course, they are still not there. You need years to develop something like this.

So my statement still stands....

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

So my statement still stands....

They have already a 2:30 at Suzuka, which is a very good time. You can compare times with other cars here: http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/suzuka

I mentioned that they are still not there, because our platform has a potential for even greater results.

Anyway, let's not start here a debate between NA & FI. As said already, value for money the FI solution is the way to go.