AVO Turbo Kit Install

[Fish Eagle]

Originally Posted by Dammod

As mentioned - it depends on how hard and fast it comes on boost. Due to the design of the SC in your car, it gradually builds power as the revs climb which is a lot "easier" on the clutch.
So the AVO kit might hit 300nm at 4krpm and hold till redline, whereas the RGM SC will gradually climb and hit 300nm closer to redline.

Also, RGM power figures from their dyno are far higher the average output we have seen of RGM cars on other dyno's so that's something to keep in mind so tough to "compare" their figures.

The upgraded RGM kit with WMI supposedly does 260kw (their dyno) on stock clutch which if you scour the forums, would be a world record for the stock clutch without slippage.
Nothing wrong with differences between dyno's but it just needs to be kept in mind when comparing.

FFS! Why did I bother to comment in this thread...
If I was 40 years younger, I'd enjoy a big argument with you, but I'm not, so I won't go there.

If my memory was better I'd have remembered that I've been here, done this, and got the T-shirt before, but I didn't, so now I'm making a note to never again make a post trying to comment about any of your "disinformation".

Sir, you may proceed unchallenged by me in future.

[Dammod]

Originally Posted by Fish Eagle

FFS! Why did I bother to comment in this thread...
If I was 40 years younger, I'd enjoy a big argument with you, but I'm not, so I won't go there.

If my memory was better I'd have remembered that I've been here, done this, and got the T-shirt before, but I didn't, so now I'm making a note to never again make a post trying to comment about any of your "disinformation".

Sir, you may proceed unchallenged by me in future.

Relax and read my post again. All I'm saying is the stock clutch is NOT capable of that 300nm+ on less "optimistic" dynos.
Nothing bad about RGM or their kit/work.

Originally Posted by 86 South Africa

Of course the diff set ups will make their power differently...
I've been in the rgm car, so I know what it feels like (awesome)

Also been in a sprintex car (just as awesome).
But never a tc car.

Biggest diff is obviously that low down kit of the tc.

My opinion (based on above) means I'm still keen on the harrop or edelbrock sc. But thanks to the exchange rate it's on ice for a little longer!

I've driven an RGM car, was a bit disappointed. Definitely didn't feel like 200+kw - the same car ended up making 160kw at a local dyno day. A few of the guys in Cape Town have ditched the Unichip though and gotten a retune and made much better power.
I heard the Sprintex kit is nice though, never driven one.

Yeah, enjoy it NA for now - these cars are awesome, whether you are NA or FI.
I can imagine them feeling a little "asthmatic" on the highveld though.

[ShaunWRX]

Originally Posted by Fish Eagle

FFS! Why did I bother to comment in this thread...
If I was 40 years younger, I'd enjoy a big argument with you, but I'm not, so I won't go there.

If my memory was better I'd have remembered that I've been here, done this, and got the T-shirt before, but I didn't, so now I'm making a note to never again make a post trying to comment about any of your "disinformation".

Sir, you may proceed unchallenged by me in future.

iirc A certain blue turbo-charged 86 from Cape Town with a whole lot more power and torque than your average RGM SC setup had to change his clutch when the car was still pushing around 180kW.

Struggling to understand what your issue is, PMS or menopause?

[86 South Africa]

I'd love a drive in a TC'd car... #justsaying
*hint hint anyone?

I just like the smooth build up of power that SC's provide - and they "more or less" keep the same shape as the STD car, but with more kw/Nm obviously.

*Update;
I wasn't underwhelmed by the RGM car... but I can also say it didn't blow me away as much as I thought it might. However, still a fantastic upgrade on a stock car - especially at altitude.
Based on my 2 drives I would say the sprintex one felt better to me (and had a bit more power, though I can't give figures... butt - dyno!).

[sav]

Originally Posted by Dammod

Funny enough, not a single issue to speak of...scouring the thread started by AVO owners on this forum before the install really helped make sure all the potential issues were covered and worked around.

No other updates since the last: The car came back for a retune, we adjusted the actuator arm to drop actuator down to 0.4 bar since it would now have a high and low boost setting, boost controller and wideband were installed the tune was fine tuned. As we started upping the boost, past 0.5-0.6 bar the clutch started giving up, so it was dropped to 0.4 again until a better clutch is installed. For the short amount of time the clutch managed to hold, that 0.6bar felt mad!!
Must be making some pretty decent torque at 0.5bar+ for it to start slipping already so that's a good sign I guess.

The owner bought a Exedy stage 2 clutch in the states - at customs at the moment, so waiting anxiously for him to get that installed.
Cant wait to feel it at 0.8-0.9bar

Awesome, glad to hear it's going well with that car.

[sav]

Originally Posted by 86 South Africa

Of course the diff set ups will make their power differently...
I've been in the rgm car, so I know what it feels like (awesome)

Also been in a sprintex car (just as awesome).
But never a tc car.

Biggest diff is obviously that low down kit of the tc.

My opinion (based on above) means I'm still keen on the harrop or edelbrock sc. But thanks to the exchange rate it's on ice for a little longer!

Agreed, it depends on what you'd be using the car for but in my opinion a supercharger is best suited to these cars. I've driven a Sprintex 86 and it was awesome - more power everywhere, from idle. That's what you want, not a peaky power delivery.

That being said, there is no way I'd trust a Sprintex setup, and even though it makes most of its power on top, I'd go for the RGM/Vortech setup. You simply cannot beat RGM's experience and support.

[86 South Africa]

Hey @Dammod

Just cos we're now discussing other options this doesn't mean you're off the hook on those dyno graphs :-)
@sav I really want a harrop or edelbrock kit... But this idiot president of ours means I know how to explain to my missus I need another 20-25k for the kit... Which means it's unlikely to happen for a bit longer! ( happy wife happy life and all )

[sav]

Yeah true. I wonder if RGM would be willing to install and support it?

[86 South Africa]

Originally Posted by sav

Yeah true. I wonder if RGM would be willing to install and support it?

I'm sure he'd install it... doubt he'd support it.

It's easy to install either kit with just 2 people apparently, and you can flash a stock tune (from the respective factories) or get someone like Delicious to tune it.
I have a Delicious tune currently, and very happy with it, so I'd stick with an update from them myself.

They also use EcuTek (more "tune-able")and not the RGM plug-in/Unichip.

[ShaunWRX]

Originally Posted by sav

Yeah true. I wonder if RGM would be willing to install and support it?

I also really liked the numbers coming from the sprintex setup when it first came out. Is the issue currently the SA installer?

[sav]

Originally Posted by ShaunWRX

I also really liked the numbers coming from the sprintex setup when it first came out. Is the issue currently the SA installer?

Support seems to be a bit pathetic here and in Aus. When the sh.. hits the fan the local distributor will tell you to contact Aus and the Aus guys will tell you to contact the local distributor.

The other big issue for me is the fact that it uses a water to air cooler. This means that if something goes wrong, it'll be pumping coolant into the intake. Hello hydro-lock...

[ShaunWRX]

Originally Posted by sav

Support seems to be a bit pathetic here and in Aus. When the sh.. hits the fan the local distributor will tell you to contact Aus and the Aus guys will tell you to contact the local distributor.

The other big issue for me is the fact that it uses a water to air cooler. This means that if something goes wrong, it'll be pumping coolant into the intake. Hello hydro-lock...

thats a bit dissapointing to hear

[sav]

Originally Posted by ShaunWRX

thats a bit dissapointing to hear

Yep. I've driven one of them and it was amazing. Pity...

[Dammod]

Originally Posted by 86 South Africa

Hey @Dammod

Just cos we're now discussing other options this doesn't mean you're off the hook on those dyno graphs :-)
@sav I really want a harrop or edelbrock kit... But this idiot president of ours means I know how to explain to my missus I need another 20-25k for the kit... Which means it's unlikely to happen for a bit longer! ( happy wife happy life and all )

Haha, I'll arrange for low and high boost dyno's as soon as the clutch is installed and its brought back to me for finishing off on high boost.

SC kits are great, we could have signed up with one of those manufacturers to distribute the kits but I'm a turbo fan. A fan of the power delivery, power potential and methodology.

There a few competent guys to go to in JHB for mechanical and tuning work should you decided to bring a SC kit in yourself.