63,000 and throwout bearing ruined everything

[JEDI]

Originally Posted by Sigh-on-Rice

I've been driving manual for 17 years and my FR-S got its throw out bearing replaced under warranty. The car was less than 3 years old and had less than 30k miles at that time. Any other manual cars I had before had no problem with clutch. The one I drove the most had 65k miles mostly city through 6 years of ownership. If it's not the car and is the driver, then at least that car with 65k miles should have had the problem with throw out bearing.

Is this your 1st Subaru?

[solidONE]

Originally Posted by pantdino

I had my1983 Supra for 15 yrs and like 160,000 miles, mostly city driving. Original clutch, never replaced.

Throw out bearings should not fail

Exactamundo! But with this car, many have had it failed. Melted, loose, or completely seized. Toyota only warranties half the instances, it looks like.

[Spartarus]

Just a funny note. Toyota people feel betrayed by these failures. All the Subaru guys are saying "yep, that happens, oh well."

It's funny how the reliability of past cars from both companies have set the expectations for their respective groups.

On another note, I would never have bought this car if I didn't fully intend to throw away the Subaru engine and repower the b*tch just as soon as I possibly could.

This was just a funny offhand remark, don't pick it apart. I am fully aware that it's an aisin transmission, and aisin usually makes toyota transmissions, and I'm aware that the fork, bearing and snout more closely resemble Toyota AISIN units like the W and R series.

[Sigh-on-Rice]

Originally Posted by JEDI

Is this your 1st Subaru?

Yes, first Subaru.

[ZionsWrath]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

wtf I replaced mine in my driveway in an hour.

Yea, but 4 check engine codes can worry a person. I say it's for the best. 2 hours labor to teach you a lesson to stay away from the dealer and find a good shop is well worth it. Cost me more than that

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by ZionsWrath

Yea, but 4 check engine codes can worry a person. I say it's for the best. 2 hours labor to teach you a lesson to stay away from the dealer and find a good shop is well worth it. Cost me more than that

Owning a scanner is a beautiful thing, lessons learned.



Which reminds me, I think I got another coil pack CEL earlier this week that I haven't checked yet...

[Canadian Greg]

The probability of a "defective" bearing is exceedingly rare.
Never had one in 35 years on the road with over 20 manual transmissions.
So yes, 99% of failures is driver related.

If you need lessons, drive an automatic.

[Brndn704]

Originally Posted by Canadian Greg

The probability of a "defective" bearing is exceedingly rare.
Never had one in 35 years on the road with over 20 manual transmissions.
So yes, 99% of failures is driver related.

If you need lessons, drive an automatic.

This is honestly the biggest load of garbage I've ever read. Countless upon countless of threads have been made complaining about the throwout bearing. You're going to sit there and say that none of us can drive a manual? Do a little bit of research my friend.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Canadian Greg

The probability of a "defective" bearing is exceedingly rare.
Never had one in 35 years on the road with over 20 manual transmissions.
So yes, 99% of failures is driver related.

If you need lessons, drive an automatic.

I think you're right, a truly defective bearing is rare.

A bearing of insufficient design seems to have been installed on many Subaru's over the years. That is still the fault of the manufacturer.

How many miles on your 86 oh master shifter?

[Canadian Greg]

A lot of people whine and complain on here. It means nothing.
It certainly doesn't explain the failures. Some people simply suck with a clutch.
And for your info wise ass, I worked for years in a bearing factory.
The company considered 1 failure per 100,000 units to be acceptable.
That's 10 per one million. I'll take those odds any day of the week.
I think I'm a lot more "educated" as you put than yourself.

[LavosTRD]

Originally Posted by Canadian Greg

A lot of people whine and complain on here. It means nothing.
It certainly doesn't explain the failures. Some people simply suck with a clutch.
And for your info wise ass, I worked for years in a bearing factory.
The company considered 1 failure per 100,000 units to be acceptable.
That's 10 per one million. I'll take those odds any day of the week.
I think I'm a lot more "educated" as you put than yourself.

It's a design issue. That is why replacing it with a new doesn't fix it, it just resets the clock. And you are right, the actual bearing failing is extremely rare. In this case it's an issue with the design in the inner and outer races (excessive free play), the grease in the bearing liqidizing and running out of the bearing, and the plastic sleeve on the bearing that slides on the input shaft being too soft.

Until the part gets redesigned, the only hope I see for a fix is in the aftermarket world. And those can be hit or miss as well.

[Nickosport]

Originally Posted by Canadian Greg

A lot of people whine and complain on here. It means nothing.
It certainly doesn't explain the failures. Some people simply suck with a clutch.
And for your info wise ass, I worked for years in a bearing factory.
The company considered 1 failure per 100,000 units to be acceptable.
That's 10 per one million. I'll take those odds any day of the week.
I think I'm a lot more "educated" as you put than yourself.

For being educated, you missed the fact that bearing life is defined as L-10(or B-10) in hours or cycles. According to the above post every bearing has an infinite life except for 1 in 100,000. Thats one crazy bearing if so. The failure rate you reference is how many were out of dimensional spec after manufacturing.

You obviously weren't an engineer in that factory. The TO bearing has a lifetime of X many cycles. I could make a TO bearing fail at 0 miles, just by cycling the clutch in and out. That number of cycles is reduced if the clutch I held at stoplights or for an extended period. you may even be able to simplify bearing life to the time that the clutch has spent disengaged(i.e. the TO bearing is spinning.)

If you are going to correct someone, make sure you're right.

[White64Goat]

Originally Posted by riironman

but I messed up when Toyota said they had to pull tranny to make sure if they would cover it. if I knew all along I wouldn't of been covered I wouldn't of went to Toyota . it was over 700 just to pull tranny. and they will only put oem parts back in.

$700 to just remove the transmission?????? Did they pull the body off the frame to get to it? Is there something about this car that is so totally different from any other rear wheel drive car that I don't know about? Is their labor rate $350 an hour?................

Another question I have is does this car really have any free play (toe play) when your foot is off the clutch? I have not been able to feel it if it does and I wonder if there isn't a design flaw with this clutch system that is making the throw out bearing continue to spin even if your foot is off the pedal. I have an 01 Saturn with over 315,000 miles on it and I have always held the clutch pedal down when at traffic lights and it is all original parts.

Since there have been so many TO bearing problems with this car, I have now started to put the car in neutral when at lights, which I have never done in all my years of driving a clutch car, which is well over 45 years, with NO TO bearing failures.

The fact that many of the pictures of clutch failures in these cars and the fingers on the pressure plates have turned blue/spring hub on disc is also concerning. If your a seasoned clutch driver and haven't raced the car or done burnouts etc., etc., etc.........then the fingers being blue from normal driving just doesn't seem right. If the throw-out bearing is running the whole time the engine is running and is melting, then there is another problem here and it's one that Toyota/Subaru need to fully investigate.

[jsalaz03]

Originally Posted by 86Hiro

I work for a dealership and can personally tell you that the issues you had, AREN'T covered by ANY warranty except the 3-Year/36k bumper to bumper warranty. After that, your basically screwed. Its sad but true.

Hey would the clutch bearing be covered under warrenty? just wondering thanks