Front tag legal?

[Cole]

ITT: @Tcoat admits to being an anti-Christ law breaker. I bet he was SUCH a badass in high school.


/sarcasm

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Cole

ITT: @Tcoat admits to being an anti-Christ law breaker. I bet he was SUCH a badass in high school.


/sarcasm

That would imply that I stayed in high school long enough to develop a rep!

[CAMBAM_6]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I really don't get why people are so worried about the legality of the front plate. I have one but that is just because after 40 years of car ownership it looks really weird without it. I treat my plates as a mod like any other and with a nice frame and tinted covers (also illegal by the way) they can actually enhance the looks of the car.

If I really didn't want one I would just skip it and face the consequences if stopped. I also speed, run yellow lights, fail to signal on occasion and break all kinds of other traffic laws either on purpose or not. Unless you are a fully law abiding person that never, ever does anything wrong than why so worried about having a front plate? Just don't put it on but... don't whine and complain if you get ticketed for it as it was your call to make.

The only simple answer I have is in California (the ones who modify atleast) FRS' is already a targeted car by Police, and not abiding the law makes it easier for them to pull you over. Not to mention the fines and having to go to traffic court. I spent an entire day just to show them I fixed a crack in my windshield. The inconvenience is seriously not worth the time and money, trust me.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by CAMBAM_6

The only simple answer I have is in California (the ones who modify atleast) FRS' is already a targeted car by Police, and not abiding the law makes it easier for them to pull you over. Not to mention the fines and having to go to traffic court. I spent an entire day just to show them I fixed a crack in my windshield. The inconvenience is seriously not worth the time and money, trust me.

Yep I understand that completely and it is sort of where I was headed. If you understand you are breaking the law and do it anyway you need to be prepared to deal with issues. It just isn't worth it to some people to have a bare front end.

[MikeM7]

Originally Posted by CAMBAM_6

The only simple answer I have is in California (the ones who modify atleast) FRS' is already a targeted car by Police, and not abiding the law makes it easier for them to pull you over. Not to mention the fines and having to go to traffic court. I spent an entire day just to show them I fixed a crack in my windshield. The inconvenience is seriously not worth the time and money, trust me.

I think there's a major difference between somewhere like Cali and here in San Antonio. Over there, I'd imagine there's a pretty strong "fast and furious" type scene that becomes a real nuisance to the public.

Over here the problem isn't the expensive fancy cars, it's the garbage on wheels that can't make it to A to B without falling apart or crashing into something, and the latino gangbanger types that are carrying drugs/guns. I don't think they particularly give a shit about 30 year old married home owner whiteboy missing a front plate.

They probably target higher income trouble makers in Cali, whereas here the lower income drivers are the bigger problem. Even when I do get pulled over, I only get ticketed 25% of the time. Then it either gets dropped or the courts just lose it because they are incompetent.

[extrashaky]

Originally Posted by Lelantas

Personally I hate the off-center look as well, so I opted for the Skene Design mount. Just two small screws mounted below the BRZ "mustache."

If it's that thing in your avatar pic, it looks like Bugs Bunny.

Originally Posted by Ddreder

With the plate pinned into the dash, it is not coming out without some serious force. And if there is that much force, most likely the airbags will deploy and the airbag will be between the passenger and the plate.. It is not going to make it through all of the marshmallows!

The passenger side airbag deploys from the front of the dash, right where you're talking about putting it. Personally, I wouldn't want anything sitting above it to interfere with its operation. Furthermore, mounting it in the windshield is a visual obstruction.

If you have a wreck and injure your passenger because you have the airbag disabled, you could be sued, and your insurance would likely refuse to protect you because you modified the vehicle in an unsafe manner. Likewise if you have a wreck and the other party realizes you have an obstruction in your field of view, they could claim you had an unsafe modification that caused the accident.

Just an overall bad idea. Good luck with that.

[Ddreder]

Originally Posted by extrashaky

If it's that thing in your avatar pic, it looks like Bugs Bunny.





The passenger side airbag deploys from the front of the dash, right where you're talking about putting it. Personally, I wouldn't want anything sitting above it to interfere with its operation. Furthermore, mounting it in the windshield is a visual obstruction.

If you have a wreck and injure your passenger because you have the airbag disabled, you could be sued, and your insurance would likely refuse to protect you because you modified the vehicle in an unsafe manner. Likewise if you have a wreck and the other party realizes you have an obstruction in your field of view, they could claim you had an unsafe modification that caused the accident.

Just an overall bad idea. Good luck with that.

You must be a lawyer with no real friends to come up with such a lame brain excuse. I will list it out for you so that you can file retorts with my secretary.

1. The airbag deploys behind where the plate would be sitting. It can in no way interfere with the damn airbag. And as I said, it would actually PROTECT you just in case it did try and dislodge.



2. Visual obstruction my ass. It is so far out of your FOV it is not even funny. Your GPS, radar detect, phone mounts are all WAY more obstructive than any plate.. I guess everyone that owns these things is going to be sued huh? The plate can sit pretty far into the dash to the point where you almost cant even notice it.. Feel free to go chase someone elses ambulance.

3. I dont even know how disabling the airbag came up.. That is not a good idea. OBVIOUSLY.. Furthermore, so I guess every driver of a car without an airbag is subject to lawsuit? That is ridiculous..

Idk maybe all of the BS you refer happens down in california or on the east coast but I will be damned if it happens here. Everyone who rides in my car understands the risks. If they cant handle being in an accident then they should stay out of my car. I also do my best to eliminate sissy ambulance chasers from my group of acquaintances because they are literally the worst kind of people. There level of stupidity knows no bounds!

[extrashaky]

Originally Posted by Ddreder

2. Visual obstruction my ass. It is so far out of your FOV it is not even funny.

Please share a picture. Let's see the unobtrusive license plate mounting solution that isn't right over the airbag and doesn't obstruct your view.

[Lelantas]

Originally Posted by extrashaky

If it's that thing in your avatar pic, it looks like Bugs Bunny.

It is. Doesn't look any different than other center mounts, it's just more reversible if you ever decide to take off the front plate. Here's a better, more zoomed-in crop:

[extrashaky]

Originally Posted by Lelantas

It is. Doesn't look any different than other center mounts, it's just more reversible if you ever decide to take off the front plate. Here's a better, more zoomed-in crop:

Much better. In the avatar size, it looks a bit buck-toothed.

[funwheeldrive]

I've never had a front plate on any of my cars, and have never been pulled over for it. I specifically requested that the dealer didn't drill into my bumper.

I could see doing it yourself, but I wouldn't trust the dealer with something like that.

[Tbird232ci]

There's a lot of butthurt in this thread.

In the real world, @extrashaky is 100% on point. Insurance companies jobs are to do anything they can to not pay a claim. If your passenger gets injured by your illegally mounted license plate, the reasoning and logic will not matter. You illegally mounted a license plate and that will be the reasons your insurance company will not pay for your passengers medical bills. If you are abiding by all traffic laws, you get hit and your only injury is a gash in your head from your illegally mounted license plate, you guessed it, the injuries will not be covered.

It works by the same logic as if you were sitting at a red light but with a suspended license. If you get rear ended by someone who was on their phone, you will be considered at fault because you weren't supposed to be on the road.

[gravitylover]

You people with this no front plate thing need to get over yourselves.

In Colorado I had plates stolen a couple of times and got tickets, or at least pulled over, for no front every time. Twice it happened on Friday nights and there was a ticket on the windshield before I even got to drive the car. Another time was the day before I was leaving for vacation and it was the rear plate with the registration sticker so I put the front plate on. Big ticket for that one and a second for no front plate.

Here in NY they'll ticket you and tell you that you need to have one so the traffic cameras can accurately record your mistakes. A friend actually got two tickets mailed to him recently, one for running the red light and another because he had no front plate. Here they send you a series of pictures with the ticket and it showed no fron but a rear, $75.

[Poodles]

Originally Posted by Ddreder

Just slide it in between your dash and front window on your passenger side and you will never be pulled over for it again. I have done this in my miata and now the FRS for the last 3 years and have NEVER been harassed by an officer. I feel like when you make an effort to display the plate, even when it is not in good visibility that the officers respect that and will usually leave you alone. I say this because my coworker removed his plate from his EVO and he gets none stop harassment.. He refuses to listen to me but it is going to be really funny when he roles in one day with a ticket. Police officers are humans too and they usually understand what were going through. That is why I feel compromise is the best solution to this issue

Stupid idea is stupid. It also doesn't count, you've just been lucky. It also might not be a primary offense in your state (in other words, they can't pull you over for it, only write you an extra ticket).

Originally Posted by TheVoiceOfReason

I personally hate the look of off center plate relocations. Will never be an option for me, and I'm sure some others feel the same.

Your name doesn't fit your views :p

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Yep! If you don't want to block an oil cooler or such that is one thing but to put it to the side for looks just throws the appearance of the whole front end out of whack.
If you don't want holes then just be brave and run without it. The holes don't hurt the value or anything as odds are when you sell the next guy may just put the plate on anyway.

It's also common for JDM cars to have the offset mount, many from the factory! It's part of the culture and the right mount helps a lot.


True, the next owner might just drill it in, but I'd probably sell the mount with the car anyway, and some people will pay more for the front bumper to not be damaged.

Originally Posted by MikeM7

I never had a front plate on my jeep or my brz, It's probably been 2 or 3 years since I've had one and I've never been pulled over for it, and even when I've been pulled over for something else, they didn't even mention it. The previous owner never had a front plate either.

I'm not putting one on. if I ever do get a ticket, I'll follow my usual method of make the fix long enough to take a picture, get the ticket dropped, and carry one same as before.

With any of these kinds of violations, they just expect you to get it fixed and they will drop the ticket. Or just send them a check for 50 bucks if you don't want to go through the effort.

Bout to remove the orange bulbs from my clear side markers too.

It's no longer a fix-it ticket in Texas, it just recently had a fine attached to it. It's now a $200 ticket.