[Poll] Preferred method to start stop on hills

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by extrashaky

When I was a teenager, one of our vehicles was a 1959 Chevy Apache pickup. Its emergency brake was a big handle under the dash. You pulled that thing out and it would make this horrible gear grinding noise, then lock in place. Then you squeezed the handle to release it with a large "BANG" as it cut loose.

It was not possible to use the emergency brake method for hill starts in that thing. Same thing goes for the foot e-brake in my S10.

I get a kick out of English people trying to tell the rest of the world how to drive. They can't even get the names of the parts of the car right.

Had a couple of vehicles with that set up. They were the manly ebrake! Pretty sure they designed some exercise equipment based on them.
Then all of a sudden, without any warning you would pull it and there would be no resistance at all. You then knew you had a project ahead of you.

[Koa]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Had a couple of vehicles with that set up. They were the manly ebrake! Pretty sure they designed some exercise equipment based on them.
Then all of a sudden, without any warning you would pull it and there would be no resistance at all. You then knew you had a project ahead of you.

My 1952 Willy's truck (grandfather's family rig before he passed) has one of these. It's a riot every time

[zc06_kisstherain]

no handbrake. fast response FTW!!!

[swpbrz]

Originally Posted by tobin

I almost always use the handbrake. I have been driving manual transmission cars almost every day for 15 years. I feel that the handbrake method is the smoothest way to start moving on an incline and prevents wear to the clutch that doesn't need to happen.

These are my thoughts. You either burned through learning or are still burning through more clutch than you need to, or having a jerky start, if your doing any of these heel toe or quick peddle move with clutch biting methods. I'll stick with Handbrake and save my drivetrain.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by extrashaky

I get a kick out of English people trying to tell the rest of the world how to drive. They can't even get the names of the parts of the car right.

Hahaha... Silly stuff like this is what makes life so great. I wish "LOL" wasn't such a tired expression.

Many moons ago when I was a teen, I let my then girlfriend drive my beetle. Had to go uphill to exit the garage. She panicked and rolled right into the back wall. What a mess that was.

For those wanting to advance beyond using the hand brake, remember it's ok to stall the engine. The beauty of it is that you won't roll backward so there's no need to panic.

If you think you're going to flub it, just let go. A little herky jerky but no harm - no foul.

[Koa]

Originally Posted by swpbrz

These are my thoughts. You either burned through learning or are still burning through more clutch than you need to, or having a jerky start, if your doing any of these heel toe or quick peddle move with clutch biting methods. I'll stick with Handbrake and save my drivetrain.

I can see how it's possible, but you are not recognizing that the clutch biting method doesn't need any fancy tricks to work properly. You literally find the clutch biting point, take your foot off the brake (the clutch will prevent you from sliding back), press on the gas, and release the clutch the rest of the way.

People who don't use the clutch biting technique try and paint a picture that it's some frantic struggle to transition the pedals and start on a hill. It's almost a hand-brake superiority complex imo

[extrashaky]

Originally Posted by swpbrz

These are my thoughts. You either burned through learning or are still burning through more clutch than you need to, or having a jerky start, if your doing any of these heel toe or quick peddle move with clutch biting methods. I'll stick with Handbrake and save my drivetrain.

I don't use any particular "method." I just let the clutch out and push the gas in, just like on flat ground. I just do it quickly enough that I don't roll back. I'm not putting any more wear on the clutch than you are.

[EthsTornadoGTS]

If you have to ask
You need to go back to driving a prius

Seriously there's no science
Quick transition
Or use the ebrake

Or
Rev to 25000 dump clutch
Rinse and repeat

[FRiSson]

Originally Posted by sgh

Oh, and I think for people who believe that a 30% grade hill does not seem that steep, it will feel MUCH steeper than the picture indicates. There is a hill near me that's a 22% grade and it feels VERY steep. I was shocked when I found out it was only 22% I certainly wouldn't want to ride my bike up it... The steepest grade in the Tour de France for example is usually about 33%

Yup, they should have a SlopeChill index. A 25 degree slope "feels like" 45 degrees when you are on it.

[RojerLockless]

learn to drive a standard? I don't really understand the question since it's obvious.

[Koa]

Originally Posted by RojerLockless

learn to drive a standard? I don't really understand the question since it's obvious.

what's a standard?

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Koa

what's a standard?

stand·ard

noun
noun: standard; plural noun: standards

1. 1.
   a level of quality or attainment.
   "their restaurant offers a high standard of service"
   
   
   • a required or agreed level of quality or attainment.
     "half of the beaches fail to comply with EPA standards"
     
     
     
     
     
   
   
   
2. 2.
   an idea or thing used as a measure, norm, or model in comparative evaluations.
   "the wages are low by today's standards
   
   
   
   

[Koa]

I love (hate) you sometimes @Tcoat

[Stealthy]

The BRZ was my first daily driven manual car. Although most of the suggestions to learn was using the handbrake method I found using pedals only was better for me.
Taught me how to feel the car out and be quicker in taking off.