Full throttle Electric Supercharger Build Thread

[fenton]

Originally Posted by Fast_Freddy

You can't say that Dyno Dynamics read low without also saying that they can also read high. It all depends on the operator. Dyno Dynamics has a "comparison mode" that is supposed to read Dynojet equivalent numbers. From what I've seen it is close but actually higher than a real Dynojet. This is why every N/A 86 that has exceeded 200 whp on pump gas to date has done so on a Dyno Dynamics. One guy even hit 206 whp by removing the weather correction.The same configurations are only reaching 195 whp on un-cheatable Dynojets.


This thread is full of Dyno Dynamics results displayed in the higher reading "comparison mode" with the possible exception of VR46. It would be nice to hear from PTuning as to what mode they used to display his results. I would guess that they used normal mode since his whp result is lower than typical for N/A on e85. This means that my dyno is not a good baseline unless some correction is factored in and then it all becomes guesswork with very questionable results.


As for the custom tuning I was referring to the results obtained by Shiv after custom tuning, not yours. Anyway, if nothing else, I suppose the message we could take away from this is to always take Dyno Dynamics numbers with a large grain of salt.

I understand what you are saying about comparison mode but mine definitely wasn't set to that...I made 168 on Toma's dyno dynamics with stage 1 and 178 on the local dynojet in town with same modes.

Either way....moral of the story... Everyone should get a baseline, and with the phantom it is dead simple. Unbolt SC and replace with stock intake pipe and run it on the dyno again.

[fenton]

Originally Posted by Namuna

Another question from the peanut gallery (did try searching the thread first)...

Are the effects of the Phantom cumulative with exhaust upgrades (particularly header upgrade)?

So let's say (completely arbitrary numbers here) that at stock I make 150tq @4,000rpm.

Now let's say that with the Phantom installed only, now I make 185tq @4,000rpm (so increase of 35tq @4,000rpm with just the Phantom).

Then I remove the Phantom and install just a header, now I make 160tq @4,000rpm (so increase of 10tq @4,000rpm with just the header).

And now, finally, I add on the Phantom along with the header...Would I now see 195tq @4,000rpm (the cumulative gain from both)?

Thanks.

This very rarely ever happens with car mods. The header will fill in little gaps and give you performance but you can't simply add up all the numbers.

If you could we would be well over 230whp with just NA mods...15 for tune, 15 for exhaust, 10 for a intake, 20 for a header.

[Fast_Freddy]

Originally Posted by fenton

I understand what you are saying about comparison mode but mine definitely wasn't set to that...I made 168 on Toma's dyno dynamics with stage 1 and 178 on the local dynojet in town with same modes.

Either way....moral of the story... Everyone should get a baseline, and with the phantom it is dead simple. Unbolt SC and replace with stock intake pipe and run it on the dyno again.

Isn't this your dyno sheet?





Are we to believe that you made 206/185 on a Dyno Dynamics running pump gas and an early tune while VR46 can only manage 197/175 running e85, header, HFC front pipe and the latest OFT tune? Isn't it possible that some of your results were provided in normal DD mode while others were in comp. mode? Adding 10% to your old result would mean 227/204 on a Dynojet which doesn't seem likely. However VR46 making 217/193 is much more in line with expected results for a header, e85 and TQ250.

I'm pretty sure that the above sheet is displaying "comparison mode" numbers. In fact, I'm sure that all of the Dyno Dynamics sheets posted on page 1 are in comparison mode. I agree about the baseline 100%. Especially when you guys are always saying that it only takes 5 mins to uninstall the ESC.

[fenton]

Originally Posted by Fast_Freddy

Isn't this your dyno sheet?





Are we to believe that you made 206/185 on a Dyno Dynamics running pump gas and an early tune while VR46 can only manage 197/175 running e85, header, HFC front pipe and the latest OFT tune? Isn't it possible that some of your results were provided in normal DD mode while others were in comp. mode? Adding 10% to your old result would mean 227/204 on a Dynojet which doesn't seem likely. However VR46 making 217/193 is much more in line with expected results for a header, e85 and TQ250.

I'm pretty sure that the above sheet is displaying "comparison mode" numbers. In fact, I'm sure that all of the Dyno Dynamics sheets posted on page 1 are in comparison mode. I agree about the baseline 100%. Especially when you guys are always saying that it only takes 5 mins to uninstall the ESC.

205 was our best run yes, it came towards the end of the day when it started getting colder outside, remember im in Canada...brrrrr.

There are so many variables it is hard to compare, the only thing that matters is baseline to dyno run. All of the runs were in the exact same mode.

[fenton]

Was doing some cold weather testing today with the TQ300. Suprisingly it works DAMN good at 1 degree C

Going to try and get a longer video today.

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWlbzHE5Cas"]Phantom supercharger tq300 - YouTube[/ame]

[jflogerzi]

Originally Posted by fenton

Was doing some cold weather testing today with the TQ300. Suprisingly it works DAMN good at 1 degree C

Going to try and get a longer video today.

Why do you continue to tease us with the TQ300

[yamsta]

So ETA is what now again? I was told July...thought he meant 2014 not 2015

[silent runner]

Originally Posted by fenton

This very rarely ever happens with car mods. The header will fill in little gaps and give you performance but you can't simply add up all the numbers.

If you could we would be well over 230whp with just NA mods...15 for tune, 15 for exhaust, 10 for a intake, 20 for a header.

I wonder how this works when there are design deficiencies in the cars original set-up? My car has an engine designed by Yamaha in the early 90's that was meant to make the Camry and Lexus ES300's, one of the quicker cars of their time. Much to Toyota's distress, this engine actually challenged their Supra and Lexus (performance 3.0L model engines in output. They tuned in a very modest timing curve, and a very rich AFR, to knock these engines down from 200hp, to 185hp. The timeing adjustments would make another 15hp in flywheel output alone, so this is conservasive. Then, to make the early emmissions system light the cat. as fast as possible, they built an almost rediculusly restrictive y-pipe design.

If i did all of the tuning mods, then fixed the y-pipe design with a 30 degree merging system (good for another 15hp on dynos), some of this would add-up. In particular, exhaust modifications that eliminate factory level power output restrictions, would help a boosted car. This would only apply though if the cars stock exhaust system had some very restrictive exhaust system details in it's design.

It would not add up directly, but if you have made exhaust mods already, they certainly would not be in vain, adding the Phantom System. I doubt the FRS/BRZ's system is much of a restriction as it sits to a 200hp (flywheel) engine, and relatively civil sound levels. Add some boost though, and it could hold back a significant amount of power. I'm sure it was very carefully designed to be polite about it's fun.

[fenton]

Originally Posted by yamsta

So ETA is what now again? I was told July...thought he meant 2014 not 2015

Back in July he still didn't have any of his parts as he had to order a whole new batch of wheels. Those wheels got very delayed and I think he maybe started getting them at the end of august or very beginning of September. There is a lot that goes into machining them down when he gets them as well. He doesn't trust the supplier to do it to his standards.

I'll see if he has any updates and let you guys know.

Thanks,

[Fast_Freddy]

Originally Posted by fenton

205 was our best run yes, it came towards the end of the day when it started getting colder outside, remember im in Canada...brrrrr.

There are so many variables it is hard to compare, the only thing that matters is baseline to dyno run. All of the runs were in the exact same mode.

Oh well, I tried to explain it. Congrats on making more whp and wtq with a bone stock engine and pump gas than current ESC owners can manage with headers, HFC front pipes, e85 and better tuning. Must have been that cold Canadian weather...

[DriftHappens]

alrighty. so, as im reading back through the thread i figure ill ask real quick. (its a big thread). i installed the kit as per the instructions. car will start and run fine, so thats good. but, the voltage monitor is stuck at 26.6-26.7. i hear no noise from the controller. voltahe doesnt move up or down. obviously hitting the switch has no effect. the vacuum tube is stuck on the pipe too well. im afraid to pull it off to test the drag reduction. (but will if necessary). what am i missing here? (also, just got done redoing the whole thing from scratch, everything seems tight)

[WNDSRFR]

Check your battery connections again. Something is very wrong. The meter should read at least 28 v. It sounds like the batteries are not connected to the alternator.

[DriftHappens]

okay, update time. it is the harness that goes from the interior to the engine bay. I pulled it out and rigged it up a bit, went to start it up and 28v. clicked the switch, it was pushing air. the wire is still not 100%, i had to jiggle it a bit, but i'll solve that tomorrow. Woot.

[DAEMANO]

Originally Posted by DriftHappens

okay, update time. it is the harness that goes from the interior to the engine bay. I pulled it out and rigged it up a bit, went to start it up and 28v. clicked the switch, it was pushing air. the wire is still not 100%, i had to jiggle it a bit, but i'll solve that tomorrow. Woot.

Definitely sounds like progress. Triple check the fittings and also the integrity of those wires. You're on your way.