Forbes Magazine: BRZ = future collectible car

[Ubersuber]

Originally Posted by Fastbrew

The value will be in stock, unmodified ones. Try finding one of those.

That's why the stock shocks are still in my garage...lol

[Jaden]

Originally Posted by thill

I highly doubt it.. There will simply be too many of them on the road, and too many of them modified bad enough to attract the rice kiddies..

I think these cars will continue to depreciate at a pretty quick rate used. Probably more like a used Miata than a used Supra...

Says the guy who sold his car to buy a four door, heavier car with the same engine making 56 more hp at 16 psi boost....

Jaden

[thill]

Originally Posted by Jaden

Says the guy who sold his car to buy a four door, heavier car with the same engine making 56 more hp at 16 psi boost....

Jaden

Yes, and I am also grounded enough to know the WRX has just about as much chance of being a collectors car as a BRZ....

I love the BRZ. I am a big fan of lightweight RWD fun cars. But the only way I see the BRZ being a collectors car is if Subaru would have had a very limited production run on them. It's just the reality of the situation.

[Sportsguy83]

I think a point in time will come that the 2013 GBS BRZ has some collectible value.

ONLY one year production run, less than 5K cars here in USA are GBS BRZ.

[funwheeldrive]

Originally Posted by thill

Yes, and I am also grounded enough to know the WRX has just about as much chance of being a collectors car as a BRZ....

I love the BRZ. I am a big fan of lightweight RWD fun cars. But the only way I see the BRZ being a collectors car is if Subaru would have had a very limited production run on them. It's just the reality of the situation.

Over 700,000 first generation (1967-1969) Camaros were built, and they are one of the hottest collectors cars around.

[Model Citizen]

you'd have better luck investing in blackberry....

[Jaden]

Originally Posted by thill

Yes, and I am also grounded enough to know the WRX has just about as much chance of being a collectors car as a BRZ....

I love the BRZ. I am a big fan of lightweight RWD fun cars. But the only way I see the BRZ being a collectors car is if Subaru would have had a very limited production run on them. It's just the reality of the situation.

who knows...

But the comparison you made is invalid for so many reasons...

The Supra became a collectible car for many reasons. The main one was NOT performance. In stock trim even the twin turbo was mediocre in performance.

The main reason was that it was a beautiful car with great lines and it had the ability to be a great handling awesome sports car.

The miata has ugly straight lines that people bought because it was light and RWD.

The twins are beautiful cars with great lines whose performance in stock trim is awesome in handling and mediocre in power.

Are they likely to become collectibles, maybe...that's usually not easy to predict, is it possible, yes... is it more likely than a miata hell YES!!!!!


Jaden

[thill]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

Over 700,000 first generation (1967-1969) Camaros were built, and they are one of the hottest collectors cars around.

Right, because it is an classic American muscle car that appeals to a huge variety of old men with money.

Do you guys ever watch shows like "Chasing Classic Cars". I think we need to define what types and condition of these cars actually sell for real money. A rusted out old car like a 68 Camaro is not going to be a high priced car at auction. A mint condition garaged one, or a fully restored one? Yes. Will go for good money.

Is it possible that a 2013 BRZ with original equipment that is either low miles/mint condition or full restored to mint condition could be considered a collectible in 30-40 years? Possible. But these are economy Japanese sports cars that tend to be driven. I would look at what first generation RX-7's go for today as an example of what you might expect to get for one down the road.

[hmong337]

This will NOT be a collector... sorry.

If anything, these will end up being the 240sx now come 20 years.

[Jaden]

comparing the FRS to a car like a 240sx or miata is ridiculous. These cars are ugly horrible cars in stock trim.

The twins are beautiful cars with great lines and awesome handling in stock trim.

They don't need crazy body kits to make them desirable.

They don't need crazy mods to make them more than just a DD with good mileage.

You want to compare them to a comparable car (different, but more comparable for the same reasons that made the car what it was) then compare them to the Supra or the 300zx...

Those cars had similar lines and similar performance (in different ways and stock trim).

and similar performance numbers...

Jaden

[thill]

Originally Posted by Jaden

comparing the FRS to a car like a 240sx or miata is ridiculous. These cars are ugly horrible cars in stock trim.

The twins are beautiful cars with great lines and awesome handling in stock trim.

They don't need crazy body kits to make them desirable.

They don't need crazy mods to make them more than just a DD with good mileage.

You want to compare them to a comparable car (different, but more comparable for the same reasons that made the car what it was) then compare them to the Supra or the 300zx...

Those cars had similar lines and similar performance (in different ways and stock trim).

and similar performance numbers...

Jaden

Okay, tell me what the going price is for a mid 90's Z32 300ZX is that is in average condition?

[Jaden]

Originally Posted by thill

Okay, tell me what the going price is for a mid 90's Z32 300ZX is that is in average condition?

I don't know any more.

However, collectible doesn't have to mean a high price tag.

When I was in high school(mid 90's) a 71' 442 was a collectible car. I could buy one for $3500. Should have in retrospect, even though I didn't have the money.

So collectibility and price don't necessarily go hand in hand.

Jaden

[thill]

Originally Posted by Jaden

I don't know any more.

However, collectible doesn't have to mean a high price tag.

When I was in high school(mid 90's) a 71' 442 was a collectible car. I could buy one for $3500. Should have in retrospect, even though I didn't have the money.

So collectibility and price don't necessarily go hand in hand.

Jaden

Average condition 96 ZX turbo (which sold for nearly $40K new) is going for around $9-10K. If you found a low mileage/mint condition (we are talking showroom/perfect) you might fetch high 20's.

That Miata you like to make fun of can actually hold it's value better, especially if it is an NA in good condition, or one the more M models in good condition that had limited production color/amenities production runs.

I think we need to define what collectible means here... If you mean finding a mint condition 20+ year old Japanese sports car.. Then yeah. Those can be hard to find depending on the car, year, and specific amenities. Does not mean that they are worth much though..

[Jaden]

Originally Posted by thill

Average condition 96 ZX turbo (which sold for nearly $40K new) is going for around $9-10K. If you found a low mileage/mint condition (we are talking showroom/perfect) you might fetch high 20's.

That Miata you like to make fun of can actually hold it's value better, especially if it is an NA in good condition, or one the more M models in good condition that had limited production color/amenities production runs.

I think we need to define what collectible means here... If you mean finding a mint condition 20+ year old Japanese sports car.. Then yeah. Those can be hard to find depending on the car, year, and specific amenities. Does not mean that they are worth much though..

Ok, this doesn't even consider the point I was making. You're comparing apples to oranges...

Collectibility and price are not correlated in a LOT of situations.

Forbes rated it as being in the top ten current cars that are likely to become collectible..

That just means they'll be desired in the future... doesn't mean they'll retain value, go up in value etc...

Jaden