This car is nuts!!! 200 hp?!? No way.

[Porsche]

Originally Posted by Jen

I'm picking up a 2014 Camaro tomorrow.

Congratulations on your new car!

Here's to many years of motoring pleasure.

[Boxer486]

Lol, you need to go look at the TSBs for every first year model ever made if you think these are issues. Anyone buying the first or second year of any model should expect to run into all sorts of phenomena.

Here's a link to some TSBs for the 2010 Camaro. I count 10 pages worth. Yes, TEN PAGES! Lol.

http://www.automd.com/tsb/chevrolet_m/camaro_mm/2010_y/

A cursory look at various Scions and Subarus shows anywhere from 4-7 TOTAL TSBs from my quick glance. That's total TSBs, not pages lol.

[DolomiteBRZ]

I must be going deaf or something because after listening to those Cricket vids on Youtube, all I hear is typical engine noise. My G8 with its 6.0 liter V8 and Long Tube Headers makes a helluva lot more noise than that at idle.

It amazes me the amount of crap people bitch about. You want the crickets to go away, quit using Ethanol. Hate road noise? Go buy some ear plugs or turn the stereo up. Quit trying to compare this car to a BMW. It isn't. It's a low priced, purpose built Hooning Machine!

I am looking forward to getting mine this Fall.

Good luck with that Camaro BTW. Coming from the GM World, you are gonna have a lot of little "annoyances" with it as well.

[billwot]

Originally Posted by FlamingRectumSyndrome

That sort of stuff used to be called "character", not "having issues". Some cars, of course, had much more "character" than others...

Yeah, when I read the complaints about the FRS's shortcomings, faults, "quirks" etc, I have to conclude that most of these folk have never had the adventure of owning a vintage sports car, like an MG, Triumph, Jag, Lotus, Alpha, Fiat.

[robwbright]

Originally Posted by DolomiteBRZ

Good luck with that Camaro BTW. Coming from the GM World, you are gonna have a lot of little "annoyances" with it as well.

Yep. From my experience with and information about GM, they generally do a much worse job on the small things than the Japanese automakers do. I think it's ironic that someone is expecting less issues with a GM car. From what I remember, the 80s/90s/00s Camaros were notorious for rattles and squeaks. Never had one, but I seem to recall a lot of complaints. Can't speak for the 14s, though.

In another thread I mentioned the window actuation system in the 2006 Saab/GM 9-3 (which I believe is the same system as the Pontiac G6).

The windows are controlled with a wire that is plenty strong. Unfortunately, GM saw fit to wrap that wire around a nylon pulley. The wire is, of course, harder and chews up the pulley. You try to put a frozen window down and, voila, your window doesn't work at all or drops and won't go back up. Now you're going to the shop for a couple hundred dollars of labor (if you're lucky)... or, in my case, you're ordering parts off ebay (the first of which was the wrong size), reordering, taking off door panels and trying to figure out how to make it work.

I liked the 9-3's GM EcoTec engine, the turbo power and torque, and the handling was pretty good. But the window issue, the easily broken cup holder, the center brake light cover that fell off and couldn't be remounted, the blown headlight pretty much every 3 months like clockwork, the leather that cracked sooner than leather should...

I don't know how many of those issues were GM designs and how many were Saab's, but I know a lot of the parts were GM parts. My father in law works on them all the time and just doesn't like them at all. He had a Hummer H2 in the shop last week for a transmission issue. Before the guy brought it in, the front passenger exterior door handle just fell off while driving down the road. And the transmission issue was so weird that even my father in law couldn't fix it (at a reasonable cost) - and he's the guy the local dealers send their work to when the mechanics at the dealership can't fix them.

But again, I'd enjoy a Camaro. But I'd go into it expecting issues to crop up.

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by DolomiteBRZ

I must be going deaf or something because after listening to those Cricket vids on Youtube, all I hear is typical engine noise. ............

I was thinking that I was the only one that just "heard" a normal, 4 cylinder engine, with a solid cam set up, running .....

Of course, my old ears don't hear some sounds ...... that mrs humfrz points out .....


humfrz

[humfrz]

Well, @Jen ..... enjoy your new machine...

I'm just glad that I'm not the service manager at the dealership where you buy your car .....


humfrz

[dnieves]

Originally Posted by Dezoris

Welcome to DI, and high pressure fuel pumps the louder sounds are all apart of the game. The one on this car is just louder than most. But then again other manufacturers to a better job at isolating the noise.

All direct injection engines make noise, usually it's tapping/clickety - see for yourself, google "direct injection noise". It happens to Cadillac, Acura, Hyundai, and etc.

[brzr]

Originally Posted by FlamingRectumSyndrome

That sort of stuff used to be called "character", not "having issues". Some cars, of course, had much more "character" than others...

i agree.......it's character, and that's why i love this car.....it's almost alive with all it's noises, and little quirks

i welcome the crickets, although so far they only showed up once on a very very hot day
they don't want to sing for me as much

[dnieves]

Originally Posted by kevman_101

If you come from regular cars, like a Lancer, Camry, Mazda 3, etc, yeah, it`s not going to be as pleasant on bumpy streets. But I find it to be very reasonable for such a sporty car. Rides so much smoother then my 2004 Silverado regular cab long box.

I`ve also went on vacation for a week with it. 7h drive to get there. Felt great. Felt like I got out of drive around the street. Was really surprised.

It is pretty noisy. Road noise can be a bit annoying. You can really tell when the pavement is bad. The crickets when you`re in the drive true . It annoys some so much that they would sell the car... I don`t care at all. My Spec-V Sentra had very loud injectors too and it never bothered me either.

The transmission I got used to it too. When I leave I give it a try to see if it goes in. If I shift quick enough, it goes in, but if not, I grab 3rd and after a few miles, 2nd is usable again. I still have the original oil. Going to change it soon.

It a quirky car, but if it`s things you can live with, it`s a great car I find. I`m sure the Camaro forums guys are also saying the same about the Camaro too though . All cars will have plus and minuses. It`s weighing which pluses are more important to you, and which minus you can sacrifice and live with the most.

The shifting thing is new, I don't have that. Coming from a Civic Si and RX-7 this is the smoothest one yet.

The crickets are noticeable in the quiet confines of a garage and drive through. The road noise is more prevalent. If you don't want road noise get a larger more expensive car or apply sound deadening. Affordable/small/good mileage=road noise.

[DolomiteBRZ]

Originally Posted by humfrz

I was thinking that I was the only one that just "heard" a normal, 4 cylinder engine, with a solid cam set up, running .....

Of course, my old ears don't hear some sounds ...... that mrs humfrz points out .....


humfrz

LOL, Mrs DolomiteBRZ says the same of me!

But seriously, I am not knocking GM, but in the last 6 years I have had 3 power door actuators fail on my G8. The oil pan gasket leak. The front LCA's fail. The Sunroof Leak. The Display on my integrated Radio/HVAC controls blink out. The DIC blink out. At least 3 recalls for air bag reprogramming, brake pedal position programming and passenger seat sensor adjustments. Right now it has 59k on the clock. I paid 32k for that car BRAND NEW, and most of its issues happened within the first 3 years of ownership.

My 2005 Subaru Baja Turbo on the other hand with 112k on the clock . . . NADA. Not a damn thing has gone wrong with that car! So yeah . . . GM . . . you are gonna have some "annoyances". The Camaro is great car, but I would put my money on a Toybaru over the Camaro.

[Annahra]

Originally Posted by Jen

I would recommend a class action lawsuit to get this fixed.

Just caught this down below all the Youtube videos. Still not sure what we are fixing? Drives fine...

[Boxer486]

Originally Posted by Annahra

Just caught this down below all the Youtube videos. Still not sure what we are fixing? Drives fine...

Lol, reminds me of a friend of mine that used to work for Lexus. He'd get some people coming in that 'thought' they might have heard something or aren't happy because their car or SUV doesn't sound like a complete vacuum in space.

First world problems.

[chrisl]

It's kind of amusing, since I just recently had the opposite experience in a test drive of a new Camaro SS - I floored it all the way to redline in second gear on a highway onramp, and I had a feeling of "really? Is that it? I thought this thing was supposed to have 400hp...". I guess it all depends on whether or not you're used to responsive, agile, lightweight cars. As for the FA20 and it's many noises? It sounds like a reasonably normal small, high compression, direct injection engine with minimal sound deadening to me...