This car is nuts!!! 200 hp?!? No way.

[jeepmor]

I did the same looking around as the OP. I bought an FR-S. A fun to drive car beats a fast muscle car in every way for me.

Better mileage and more fun to drive. I bought this to commute in. My commute is back roads, so I bought the MT.

I've owned three subarus in the past, all grocery getter wagon types. I'm loyal to the brand. But I just didn't like the nose and wing on the Subaru, or the fog lights and grill. I knew they were the same car, I just liked the FR-S just a bit more. If there were no FR-S model, I'd own a BRZ now.

My commute is only 22 miles per day each way, but when you compare the FR-S to a modern muscle car, the mileage difference adds up fast.

[troek]

Originally Posted by mid_life_crisis

If you turn the wheel far enough that you have to move your hands on the wheel, you can't reach the paddles anymore.

Ahhh i see now. I was thinking it would be nice if the paddles moved with the wheel but i hadnt thought about it that way.

[Fett4Real]

Theres a woman down the street who has an asphalt FR-S...

[Boxer486]

Originally Posted by J_kennington

driving as hard as I possibly could. the car averaged 25.5mpg throughout 3 tanks of gas.

See strat61caster, he wasn't exaggerating or using hyperbole. He was dead serious.

You simply did something wrong in your calculations or you don't know what driving pedal to the floor all the time means or you don't drive as fast as you think you do all the time. Just impossible dude. You would never be able to repeat your claim with a third party witness. Your claim is so ridiculous compared to any hypermilers it's not even remotely deserving of comparison.

Personally I have pics of hypermiling and getting 39mpg over 600 miles as proof and the actual physics and engineering from this universe allows for my claim to be possible and others have similar numbers too. So it's scientifically logical and repeatable. Your numbers are simply not possible.

These guys are not driving as hard as they can 98% of the time like you so why are their numbers worse than yours in just normal driving? You strapped a magic magnet to your fuel lines? Or perhaps you weren't actually pushing it that hard 98% of the time through 3 tanks of gas.

http://www.edmunds.com/scion/fr-s/20...-test/mpg.html

Their worst fill came out to 16.9 mpg NA which you'd assume had some heavy throttle application. So yes, I'm calling BS on your post about 25.5mpg.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Jen

So the BRZ navigation isn't bespoke? Would it be like a regular navigation unit like on my Prius?

I honestly don't know, it's worth going to test drive both to narrow it down in my mind. Maybe a quick google search will turn up more details, I skipped the nav and touch screens on purpose.

[tdoggy57]

Some of you guys are straight ****heads lol. You should give people a chance before you assume they're trolling and stuff like that, you give this forum a bad rep to newcomers. This isn't a BMW forum you don't need to be all stuck up.

[Ashybone]

Originally Posted by Jen

JMalmsteen on 3SI, since '09

I member you... couple years back you were trying to sell a 86 Vette for VR4 right? You had a grand national too I think. Ya, welcome to light cars lol.
A girl that I used to work with upgraded from a white tC to a white FR-S. She got the auto and loves it. She said my black one made her car look fat though. Funny stuff. But seriously, why does everyone argue about random stuff that doesn't really matter. These cars get good gas mileage.... MOVE ON.

[Jen]

Originally Posted by glamcem

I think in NA form car is very plain or even boring for street use and it doesn't feel fast at all.

"Fast" is a very subjective and bold term. How do you define "fast"? For a person who owned Vettes, modded turbo cars, Sportbikes this car is nowhere near fast (or any car in general, lol).

However, it has a lot of potential with its lighter and newer platform, aftermarket support and active community and aren't we all here for the very same reason?

I'm 322k into a Prius. Anything feels fast now! Compared to the new Camaro, the FRS has the fun element, the connection with the road, the feedback, this to me makes something feel fast. It felt unpredictable. I wasn't screeching Camaro tires. The additional 123 hp of the Camaro didn't do much for the driving experience. It felt boring. It didn't "feel fast."

[Jen]

Originally Posted by Ashybone

I member you... couple years back you were trying to sell a 86 Vette for VR4 right? You had a grand national too I think. Ya, welcome to light cars lol.
A girl that I used to work with upgraded from a white tC to a white FR-S. She got the auto and loves it. She said my black one made her car look fat though. Funny stuff. But seriously, why does everyone argue about random stuff that doesn't really matter. These cars get good gas mileage.... MOVE ON.

Grand National, Vette, Porsche, '78 Trans Am, Challenger, XJ8 Jaguar, two Priuses..

I used to be a lawyer. I now teach math and physics. Guess where all my money goes..hah. I'm still trying to sell my Vette!

Still love VR4s. I'm banned from projects. I'm looking to sell everything except for the Priuses and Challenger. The husband wants the Porsche and he has a '72 Roadrunner that stays. It's funny. He literally told me, "I don't care if you buy another motorcycle, but no more cars!!!!" So, I'm looking to downsize on the cars so I can get something different and compromise here.

[brzr]

@Jen get the twin .........by what you're saying you are already in love with it

i love my little car so much, and unlike some people here, to me it's perfect in every way
it has just enough hp for me.......truthfully, i wouldn't want any more and i don't get why people buy this car and than bitch and moan how they want more......you got the wrong car


oh......i also hated snow before the frs, not any more......this car is way too fun in the snow

[Ashybone]

I'll agree with that. These cars are a blast in the snow. Nothing like slow-mo drifting lol.

[kinda5150]

i'm coming from a 944 with m/t. this car is what i always hoped the 944 could be (w/o throwing tons of money at it) and i don't have to work on it every 4 months. so i get where you're coming from. honestly, the car is much quicker than i expected, but again coming from a 150hp i guess i shouldn't have been so surprised. i use this as my dd, so i'm giddy as a schoolboy over the mpg. i drive 25 miles one way w/exactly half hwy/city and avg just over 31 mpg. i mostly drive economically (like a granny) w/occ bouts of wot (at least once or twice a day). the clutch has certainly taken some getting used to, but gets better everyday. for the money, either of the twins is a winner. i'd research a little more on the service end of the deal--as in, is toyota or subaru doing a better job of keeping their customers happy when it comes time for repairs/recalls/tsb's.

[glamcem]

Originally Posted by Jen

I'm 322k into a Prius. Anything feels fast now! Compared to the new Camaro, the FRS has the fun element, the connection with the road, the feedback, this to me makes something feel fast. It felt unpredictable. I wasn't screeching Camaro tires. The additional 123 hp of the Camaro didn't do much for the driving experience. It felt boring. It didn't "feel fast."

No one can argue with any of those, you mentioned you have a Corvette.. so you know that, compared to a Corvette the steering feel and road feedback is a lot better in twins and you cannot replace the weight factor with more hp for sure, there's no substitute for that for track use, IMO. ..but all I am saying is this car needs about 50-60 more and linear hp from factory ..that' all... not some crazy amount power needed -thanks to the weight advantage, it's a shame that it only comes 200hp with the awkward torque dip from factory but with some power mods (either NA and FI) I am pretty sure it will be a great fun for both street and track

and a side note, new Camaro 1LE even with the added weight is a great performer at the track and the best value IMO..Camaro Z28 can keep up with the new GTR and the new GT3

http://www.autoweek.com/article/2014...news/140329817

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these newer muscle cars made by GM are no joke

I knew that I was going to FI route before even I purchased this car, and ordered my parts at the same time.. hopefully the Kraftwerks SC kit will answer all my needs..

Enjoy the FRS

[SirBrass]

Originally Posted by Jen

My commuter car is a Prius with 322k miles on it. I ride motorcycles on the weekend (FZ-09, if you ride, get one of these!!!). Coming back to the Prius is making me crazy.
I want a manual. I haven't tried the AT, but manual cars are fun.
The FRS was all over the road though. I wonder if the BRZ is similar. It felt like the rear was sliding.

You can and will get used to the clutch. It's just a matter of time.

The brz is more planted, but still similar to the fr-s.

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