2015 FR-S Start of Production - May 7, 2014

[regal]

Originally Posted by raven1231

That would be the new 2.0s 260hp engine that I mention earlier

The only way they could get 260 hp out of 2L is FI. It must be the variation of the FA20T that fits, the one Toyota forced Subaru to shelve. With the FT-1 now we know why.

Originally Posted by beagoodruslan

Am I the only one that wants this car to be discontinued? Then I can sell it for more in the future!

Wow watching Toyotas FT1 video they are really separating themselves from the GT-86, they almost come out and say its not their sports car, you can't help but get the feeling our platform is done as far as a future with Toyota. I hope Subaru keeps it going.

Originally Posted by chrisl

You think a turbo would add $17,500 to the cost of the car? That seems a bit unrealistic.

If it does it will not sell. Especially with the WRX selling at the same price as the BRZ. Anyone know the price difference between a similar equipped Imprezza vs WRX ?

Originally Posted by Dark

I'm picking up 15 WRX Limited loaded at 32K, but I will not defend econobox interior in WRX/STI. Yes, it has AWD, space, value proposition for a performance car, but if I can afford a Cayman, I would pick it over STI. I sat in both 2014 WRX/STI for a few hours while test driving it against BRZ Limited. It has the most uncomfortable seat I ever sit in. Interior material is nowhere close the one in Honda Civic. Do yourself a favor, test drive a Cayman S.

Or even the base Cayman. I hope this platform just gets turned over to Subaru when the FT-1 is released and we get a turbo for a couple grand extra. I think its doable.

[OICU812]

Originally Posted by Wandr3r

Soo as far as 15 BRZ's... I have something for you guys. However I cannot elaborate until we get closer to launch. I will post when I can.

A different kind of knee pad? Lol love the rumour mill... There's nothing significant coming at all...
This waiting and dreaming makes me laugh really...

[Quentin]

Originally Posted by regal

The only way they could get 260 hp out of 2L is FI. It must be the variation of the FA20T that fits, the one Toyota forced Subaru to shelve. With the FT-1 now we know why.

Source?

Wow watching Toyotas FT1 video they are really separating themselves from the GT-86, they almost come out and say its not their sports car, you can't help but get the feeling our platform is done as far as a future with Toyota. I hope Subaru keeps it going.

Nonsense. "Get the feeling"? You read way too much into what is marketing/fluff material. The FT-1 does not even come close to competing in the same arena as the twins. It is like speculating the Yaris will be cancelled because the Camry is getting a big redesign. Put away your jump to conclusions mat.

If it does it will not sell. Especially with the WRX selling at the same price as the BRZ. Anyone know the price difference between a similar equipped Imprezza vs WRX ?

'15 WRX Limited (without keyless entry or nav is $30,700). BRZ Limited with keyless entry/ push button and navigation standard is $27,500.

[regal]

Originally Posted by Quentin

Source? .

Tada, we will not turbo this car.

Originally Posted by Quentin

Nonsense. "Get the feeling"? You read way too much into what is marketing/fluff material. The FT-1 does not even come close to competing in the same arena as the twins. It is like speculating the Yaris will be cancelled because the Camry is getting a big redesign. Put away your jump to conclusions mat. .

They clearly say Toyota doesn't build a sports car today. Doesn't that means they don't consider the GT-86 a sports car. Just watch the video Its verbatim. They clearly downplay the GT-86.

Originally Posted by Quentin

'15 WRX Limited (without keyless entry or nav is $30,700). BRZ Limited with keyless entry/ push button and navigation standard is $27,500.

No again not reading, top of the line imprezza vs WRX. That should give some indication of price difference between BRZ and turbo BRZ, no ?

[Quentin]

You said the WRX and BRZ sell at the same price. They do not. The WRX is $3k more.

The difference between an Impreza Limited (CVT) and an Impreza WRX limited (CVT) is around $8k ($23,500 vs $32,000ish).

[86-tundra]

Originally Posted by Wandr3r

Soo as far as 15 BRZ's... I have something for you guys. However I cannot elaborate until we get closer to launch. I will post when I can.

you mean like this

Originally Posted by Wandr3r

I got a chance to speak with Ted Lalka, the VP of Marketing for Subaru Canada at the Employee demo for the 15' STI in Vancouver last month. I asked if we will see more power from this platform for 2015/16. He said there are no plans for a factory turbo or super charger from Subaru within the current cycle. I asked about a factory Ts version, He stated it would not be the same as the Japanese "IF" if was to ever happen. So a typical response I guess. So 15' sounds like it will be the same unless there is a limited run of 15' Ts variants, and it would be very limited.

[imag]

I will pay $39K for a ts with a supercharger. I would also happily pay $36K for a ts without a supercharger, because I can do a supercharger myself. I just don't want to have to do wheels, brakes, suspension, chassis stiffening *and* add power. I also want the higher resale value that would come from a factory modded car versus a personally modded car. Aftermarket mods are basically worthless when it comes to the secondary market.

That said, I agree with those who say most people won't pay $35K+. I am sure Toyota/Subaru agree with you too - and that's why most of the models will still be standard power, lower cost versions. It just makes sense to have a higher performance version, either this year or next, for those of us who are less price constrained.

As far as substitutes:

A WRX STI is not equal to a BRZ STI, even at the same price. One is a sports car; the other is a sedan.

A Cayman is a two seater, and it will cost more to maintain than a BRZ/FRS. I am sure I am not the only one who would prefer a top-of-the line BRZ/FRS at <$40K to a poverty spec Cayman at $45K. I get on the Porsche configurator and I end up speccing a $80K Cayman S, which is more than I really need to spend on a car. Call it irrational, but that's just how my brain works. I also like that I *could* fit a third person in the BRZ/FRS, while I have no option in the Cayman.


tl;dr: I think a high performance BRZ/FRS fills a nice niche in the market, and I do not think I am alone in wanting one.

[Sideways&Smiling]

Originally Posted by regal

Wow watching Toyotas FT1 video they are really separating themselves from the GT-86, they almost come out and say its not their sports car, you can't help but get the feeling our platform is done as far as a future with Toyota. I hope Subaru keeps it going.

It was Toyota talking to an American audience. There is no Toyota sports car in America right now. The FR-S is a Scion. They make that distinction purposefully. Either way, the new Supra will be in a completely different class of cars and cost much more money. It doesn't affect the 86 platform at all.

[imag]

Originally Posted by Sideways&Smiling

It was Toyota talking to an American audience. There is no Toyota sports car in America right now. The FR-S is a Scion. They make that distinction purposefully. Either way, the new Supra will be in a completely different class of cars and cost much more money. It doesn't affect the 86 platform at all.

Exactly. There is exactly zero chance that they will discontinue the 86 before it has had at least a five year run. The primary development and tooling are a good part of the cost of the car; they want to amortize those costs over as long a run as possible.

The only case where cars get discontinued early is when their volumes are so absurdly low that they are not even worth moving around in inventory, or when they were intended to be short term special editions of a larger-volume model.

[stock]

Originally Posted by TrackRider54

In typical Japanese fashion, you'll probably see a new color or some trim changes. I can't imagine there will be any major changes in the first 4 our 5 years. Just look at the Miata. It's been out for 25 years and is only on it's third generation.

That is a good thing.

[Boxer486]

Lol, the 86 will likely be a platform that underpins a few models. The 86 ain't going anywhere while Akio still breathes.

[Wandr3r]

Originally Posted by trevorovert

you mean like this

Pretty much... For those of you that have already ordered the 15' do not worry, its not a turbo. Subaru will not up the power for these. Since I enjoy my job, can't say much but I will post details when I can.

[Dark]

Originally Posted by Wandr3r

Pretty much... For those of you that have already ordered the 15' do not worry, its not a turbo. Subaru will not up the power for these. Since I enjoy my job, can't say much but I will post details when I can.

Facelift, no?

[OICU812]

Originally Posted by Wandr3r

Pretty much... For those of you that have already ordered the 15' do not worry, its not a turbo. Subaru will not up the power for these. Since I enjoy my job, can't say much but I will post details when I can.

What's your job or your inside scoop? Cause if you're a salesman, I've heard lots of uninformed bullshit from salesmen...just sayin..