2013 Scion FR-S Priced at $24,200 ($24,930 after destination)

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by JohnnyR

I wouldn't fall for the marketing that Toyota is throwing out there, the FR-S and BRZ are not "sports cars", but rather "sporty" cars. Sports cars I would consider to be any 2-door Porsche car, Corvettes, GT-Rs, and at the lower pricing end, Mustang Bosses (maybe even the GT due to it's all around performance), Lotus Elise/Exige. I'd be really stretching it to put the 370z in there because to me it's performance isn't quite there. I'd say it's more "sporty". The last real Toyota sports cars were the MR2 Turbo and Supra Turbo.

The 86's are more in line with "sporty" as they don't have the performance to back them up, yet they're not boring to drive supposedly, have "Sporty" looks, and give up some things like a forgiving ride and steering for a "Sportier" feel.

Mustang will never be a sports car. Nor will a Porsche with 4 seats (the 911 is a sporty GT car, sorry bro). Nor will the GTR, because it's AWD...etc. etc. The 86 is more sports car than a lot of other cars right now. Who cares if it's just sporty?

Originally Posted by Canibuz

Your seriously telling me you don't need to update facebook send tweets read tweets and geolocate your friends all while pulling into an insane drift at the starbucks parking lot while jerking off to Initial D all in your brand new FRS?!?

Ultimately the problem with this car is not the price. $25K is not much. It's the perceived value. It's just not there.

[denkigrve]

Originally Posted by pastuch

Dude, I drive a 1990 Miata in snow so deep in drowns the hood of the car. My Miata is RWD, 2100 pounds, No LSD, No anti-lock, no airbags and it's the most fun thing to drive in the snow ever. With snow tires, the FR-S will be a stellar snow-car. Powerslides without paying for new rubber = epic!

I'm with you. When I had my AE86 I was driving with no LSD and a 6 puck unsprung clutch on Jun coils up front and TRD shocks/springs in the rear on 15x8s with battle version control arms, t3 pan hard on some Maryland back roads. It was fun. Winter? Psh. Just drive slower and not like an idiot.

This car is a MUST buy for me. I miss my AE86. RIP old friend. I just got back from the Scion dealer, and they won't take deposits yet. They said their GM won't let them. They took down my information and created a file for me, and I should be expecting a call as soon as I can put down a deposit for the pre-order or whenever they have information.

What helped me was that I went in there checkbook in hand saying "I want this car, when can I get it?" They knew I was serious, and hopefully will get back to me whenever they can about when we can start plunking down cash for these cars.

[SUB-FT86]

Originally Posted by Scion FR-S

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_911


The Porsche 911 (pronounced as Nine Eleven, German: Neunelfer) is a luxury 2-door sports coupe made by Porsche AG of Stuttgart, Germany. It has a distinctive design, rear-engined and with independent rear suspension, an evolution of the swing axle on the Porsche 356. The engine was also air-cooled until the introduction of the Type 996 in 1998. Since its introduction in 1963[1], it has undergone continuous development, though the basic concept has remained little changed.[2]
Throughout its lifetime, the 911 has been modified by private teams and by the factory itself for racing, rallying and other forms of automotive competition. It is among the most successful competition cars ever. In the mid 1970s, normally aspirated 911 Carrera RSRs won major world championship sports car races such as Targa Florio, Daytona, Sebring and Nürburgring, even against prototypes. The 911-derived 935 turbo also won the coveted 24 Hours of Le Mans in 1979.
In the 1999 international poll for the award of Car of the Century, the 911 came fifth.[3] It is one of two in the top five that had remained continuously in production (the original Beetle remained in production until 2003),[4] and was until 1998 the most successful surviving application of the air- (now water-) cooled opposed rear-engine layout pioneered by its original ancestor, the Volkswagen Beetle. It is one of the oldest sports coupe nameplates still in production.

[DantKR]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

Mustang will never be a sports car. Nor will a Porsche with 4 seats (the 911 is a sporty GT car, sorry bro). Nor will the GTR, because it's AWD...etc. etc. The 86 is more sports car than a lot of other cars right now. Who cares if it's just sporty?





Ultimately the problem with this car is not the price. $25K is not much. It's the perceived value. It's just not there.

But it's not a sports car. Thank you.

[JohnnyR]

Originally Posted by 86fanatic

I call BS on this. First of all Porsche base models are meant to appeal to the luxury market, not the sports car market. They are refined, expensive, luxurious daily drivers. There's really no reason to call a 911 a pure sports car and then the 86 a "sporty car" other then one has a 4x price tag and simple brand snobbery. In many ways the 86 is a more stripped down experience, it weighs hundreds of pounds less for one.

GTRs also come standard with navigation, leather seats, and a bunch of other junk. Again, besides the 5x price tag, what is the huge difference? The GTR was developed to make doing laps easy, the 86 was developed to make doing laps fun. You want to call one a pure sports car over the other? Why?

I was going to reply in a lengthier sincerity until I read your 2nd paragraph. First of all, I'm calling them "Sports Cars", the "pure" thing is a marketing scheme at best. Secondly, I'm absolutely sorry, but if you can't have fun in a car that goes 0-60 in less than 3sec, that changes directions sharply, that pulls incredible g's, that has fantastic brakes, that it's engine is built in a vault basically, and axles/suspension is assembled loaded, nitrogen filled from the factory, and it's wheels have special burrs on them to ensure the tires don't slip, then there's something wrong with you. I don't care how incredibly well programmed it is to make a hamfist look like a pro, it's performance is incredible. It may be 4x's the cost of a FR-S, but it's performance is many more times greater, and it has a nicer interior to boot.

This is fanboyism at it's finest to even say "the FR-S is fun to drive, while the GT-R isn't as much".

I can't wait until a Turbo/SC version of the FR-S comes out with a revised suspension to boot, bringing it's power in line with what it needs to be at to be considered a "Sports Car" and you salivating all over it.

Something is either a "Sports Car" or it's not. And the FR-S is not, it's a "Sporty Car", and by throwing the word "Pure"TM in front of it doesn't bump it's overall performance up to even entry level "Sports Car" standards. The GT-R, Exige/Elise, Boss, Vette, Supra, MR2, and 2-door Porsches are. You have to get your expectations in check. Be happy with the car you want for what it is, but don't be like that Miata guy that told me that he'll go through the turns faster than I will in my overweight AWD econobox.

This is like the 7th gen celica boards all over again in these regards.

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

Mustang will never be a sports car. Nor will a Porsche with 4 seats (the 911 is a sporty GT car, sorry bro). Nor will the GTR, because it's AWD...etc. etc. The 86 is more sports car than a lot of other cars right now. Who cares if it's just sporty?

Ridiculous at best... bro. A Boss will slaughter this car on any track or back road, even a GT. The GT-R is a Super Car slayer, it doesn't matter if it's AWD and has electro-nannies, it's performance merits the class of "Sports Car". A 911's performance is beyond the 86 as well, even the Boxster and Cayman. And there's nothing wrong with the 86 being "Sporty", it's just not a "Sports Car" that others are touting it is while said other cars are not. Period.

[FR]

Here in Quebec the Corolla XRS is all of 26 400$, the MX-5 starts at 28 995$ and the Genesis is 26 579$ The MUSTANG is a tricky affair as on a 48 month lease despite the 21995 MSRP the payment is 553$ a month (at Ford Desjardins) and the residual value is 7935$, The Genesis is 450$ a month. if the FR-S comes in anything below the Genesis on 48 months, they've got me as a taker in Quebec, if not, t'will be long long nights in Scion dealerships negotiating all sorts of crap

[mankarn86]

Originally Posted by Rampage

Not a hater. Just being realistic. A lot of teenagers, college students and recent graduates with thousands in student loans had their hearts broken today. They won't forget because they cannot afford.

LOL if you are a student with debt you shouldn't be looking a brand new car! I find it funny how people think this car is made for a student budget just cause it's a Scion!

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by JohnnyR

I was going to reply in a lengthier sincerity until I read your 2nd paragraph. First of all, I'm calling them "Sports Cars", the "pure" thing is a marketing scheme at best. Secondly, I'm absolutely sorry, but if you can't have fun in a car that goes 0-60 in less than 3sec, that changes directions sharply, that pulls incredible g's, that has fantastic brakes, that it's engine is built in a vault basically, and axles/suspension is assembled loaded, nitrogen filled from the factory, and it's wheels have special burrs on them to ensure the tires don't slip, then there's something wrong with you. I don't care how incredibly well programmed it is to make a hamfist look like a pro, it's performance is incredible. It may be 4x's the cost of a FR-S, but it's performance is many more times greater, and it has a nicer interior to boot.

This is fanboyism at it's finest to even say "the FR-S is fun to drive, while the GT-R isn't as much".

I can't wait until a Turbo/SC version of the FR-S comes out with a revised suspension to boot, bringing it's power in line with what it needs to be at to be considered a "Sports Car" and you salivating all over it.

Something is either a "Sports Car" or it's not. And the FR-S is not, it's a "Sporty Car", and by throwing the word "Pure"TM in front of it doesn't bump it's overall performance up to even entry level "Sports Car" standards. The GT-R, Exige/Elise, Boss, Vette, Supra, MR2, and 2-door Porsches are. You have to get your expectations in check. Be happy with the car you want for what it is, but don't be like that Miata guy that told me that he'll go through the turns faster than I will in my overweight AWD econobox.

This is like the 7th gen celica boards all over again in these regards.




Ridiculous at best... bro. A Boss will slaughter this car on any track or back road, even a GT. The GT-R is a Super Car slayer, it doesn't matter if it's AWD and has electro-nannies, it's performance merits the class of "Sports Car". A 911's performance is beyond the 86 as well, even the Boxster and Cayman. And there's nothing wrong with the 86 being "Sporty", it's just not a "Sports Car" that others are touting it is while said other cars are not. Period.

i agree with most of that except you really do need to be careful with some miatas. i know the evo isnt overweight or an econobox. its an amazing piece of technology but its not uncommon for miatas to pull 1.3g in steady state cornering.

[ahausheer]

I guess we found the thing to bitch about for the next 2-3 months, or perhaps forever.

[mankarn86]

Originally Posted by JohnnyR

but don't be like that Miata guy that told me that he'll go through the turns faster than I will in my overweight AWD econobox.

LOL he will.

[DieDriving]

So toyota is targeting younger generation with this car but the base manual coming out firing at 25K....if you get an AT or tag on any extra it will be easily hit 27-28K not including tax....how many college students or recent grads can afford this kind of price? It better comes w/ BeSpoke and spoiler standard or this is over price....working people like me can afford it but doesn't mean I'll buy it....

[tachi1247]

Where is the OP...we need to rename this thread "What defines a sports car".

[Want.FR-S]

Originally Posted by tachi1247

Where is the OP...we need to rename this thread "What defines a sports car".

Ah.. no need. This is FT86 club, where FT stands for Forget Topic.

[jor8888]

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

No way HID's, Nav and other standard options are going to only set you back $300-500. Especially not from the stealership.

no kidding, they can add just another $2000 for the nav and $500 for HID so u are looking at extra $2500