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IAmNotTheDriftKing · 03-25-2014, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by FrsDuke

Oh. So it's not the same at all then I guess.

Haha, not really, but it has the same name, so it has to be similar right? RIGHT!?!

FrsDuke · 03-25-2014, 12:08 AM

Lol. All things in MODeration is the way to go. A reasonable NA build will be reliable as will a reasonable FI build.

Luis_GT · 03-25-2014, 12:33 AM

while you guys wait for nelsmar and mav... crawford posted this

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...levant_count=1

Boxer486 · 03-25-2014, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by IAmNotTheDriftKing

Then again, I do like to talk out my ass sometimes.

This is the case here.

NA mods are only problematic if in fact you are increasing higher revs without building internals or doing something weird with ignition, timing and fuel. This also makes the potential damage from user error worse. Increasing displacement means more power due to more air at the same revs. The problem isn't size or NA, it's being built with the right rev range in mind.

FI is really worse because increased cylinder pressure adds more strain at the same and lower revs if the block/internals were not built and designed to handle it and cooling is inadequate.

Tim_Asphalt_FRS · 03-25-2014, 12:47 AM

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Thorpedo · 03-25-2014, 12:52 AM

I'm not digging that loss above 7k...

wootwoot · 03-25-2014, 12:53 AM

Nice...

Captain Snooze · 03-25-2014, 12:54 AM

I must have bumped my head because I'm seeing double in the post 2 above.

Captain Snooze · 03-25-2014, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Thorpedo

I'm not digging that loss above 7k...

Everything's a compromise.

Turdinator · 03-25-2014, 01:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thorpedo

I'm not digging that loss above 7k...

I good set of header should fix that up.

nelsmar · 03-25-2014, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Thorpedo

I'm not digging that loss above 7k...

Avg power gained is up though.... The top is minor. Tuned results will show how much it is really worth in the end

the oem tune falls
Off considerably vs a tuned oem car. I'm starting to get quite excited to see what the end result is tuned!

jupillam · 03-25-2014, 01:51 AM

^^ same here, wait for a tune to tell

mav1178 · 03-25-2014, 01:54 AM

You can't really see the spacer, the only way you can tell is if you compared the top of the hoses relative to a strut bar. That said, it clears a STi strut bar perfectly fine, lower bars or bars closer to the intake manifold cover may have clearance issues.

Another poster already posted preliminary dyno results, I'll post the butt dyno in a couple of days. The dyno shows some compromise on the top end, but there's a pretty consistent gain both in the low end as well as peak HP.

Can't say full results yet, but there is a net gain of around 4RWHP and around 7-8 ft-lb of torque. I'll post the full review from MotoIQ in a few days.

-alex

Turdinator · 03-25-2014, 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by mav1178

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You can't really see the spacer, the only way you can tell is if you compared the top of the hoses relative to a strut bar. That said, it clears a STi strut bar perfectly fine, lower bars or bars closer to the intake manifold cover may have clearance issues.

Another poster already posted preliminary dyno results, I'll post the butt dyno in a couple of days. The dyno shows some compromise on the top end, but there's a pretty consistent gain both in the low end as well as peak HP.

Can't say full results yet, but there is a net gain of around 4RWHP and around 7-8 ft-lb of torque. I'll post the full review from MotoIQ in a few days.

-alex

Thank you for the photos. I like how you can't really see them.

I wonder if the grimmspeed strut bar would still fit. Do you know how tall the blocks are?

03-25-2014, 12:08 AM	#282
FrsDuke Fanboy Join Date: Dec 2013 Drives: 2013 ultramarine frs Location: Tx Posts: 612 Thanks: 242 Thanked 337 Times in 203 Posts Mentioned: 4 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Lol. All things in MODeration is the way to go. A reasonable NA build will be reliable as will a reasonable FI build. __________________ I'm done helping those who won't help themselves. TL;DR: -Duke

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03-25-2014, 12:54 AM	#288
Captain Snooze Because compromise ® Join Date: Jan 2012 Drives: Red Herring Location: australia Posts: 7,818 Thanks: 4,050 Thanked 9,551 Times in 4,195 Posts Mentioned: 60 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I must have bumped my head because I'm seeing double in the post 2 above. __________________ My car is completely stock except for all the mods.

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jupillam Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Drives: White out Scion Frs Location: Socal Posts: 305 Thanks: 48 Thanked 56 Times in 37 Posts Mentioned: 4 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	^^ same here, wait for a tune to tell __________________

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mav1178 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Drives: 2005 Toyota Camry Location: 91745 Posts: 6,562 Thanks: 493 Thanked 6,099 Times in 3,030 Posts Mentioned: 95 Post(s) Tagged: 3 Thread(s)	You can't really see the spacer, the only way you can tell is if you compared the top of the hoses relative to a strut bar. That said, it clears a STi strut bar perfectly fine, lower bars or bars closer to the intake manifold cover may have clearance issues. Another poster already posted preliminary dyno results, I'll post the butt dyno in a couple of days. The dyno shows some compromise on the top end, but there's a pretty consistent gain both in the low end as well as peak HP. Can't say full results yet, but there is a net gain of around 4RWHP and around 7-8 ft-lb of torque. I'll post the full review from MotoIQ in a few days. -alex

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