207whp… NA Full Bolt On E85

[s2d4]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Where is the dyno result for the 200hp 93oct dyno run?

I think they are refering to this:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40850

[Shiv@Openflash]

Originally Posted by s2d4

I think they are refering to this:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40850

Those results aren't from an industry standard dynojet. They are from a dyno dynamics dyno that has been tweaked to read higher than they normally do. So I can safely say that it is unlikely that that car makes 200whp on 93oct on a dynojet.
The reason why Dynojets are the standard for bragging rights is because, unlike other loading dynos, they cannot be re calibrated to read higher/lower without leaving obvious evidence. This is because it operates on a simple inertial principle (how long it takes to spill a giant roller of given mass).

[s2d4]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Those results aren't from an industry standard dynojet. They are from a dyno dynamics dyno that has been tweaked to read higher than they normally do. So I can safely say that it is unlikely that that car makes 200whp on 93oct on a dynojet.
The reason why Dynojets are the standard for bragging rights is because, unlike other loading dynos, they cannot be re calibrated to read higher/lower without leaving obvious evidence. This is because it operates on a simple inertial principle (how long it takes to spill a giant roller of given mass).

After reading his progress from stock to borla uel, injen intake and catback, it shot up from 151.8 up to 181.5, this is really odd. Getting that much gain without a tune?
He then went from 181.5 to 200.5 after tune with OP/FP replaced as well, seems fair as most of that would be from the tune but yeah, something went pear shaped on the bump from 151.8 up to 181.5.

[Bahraini86]

Originally Posted by Hmongfrs

i wonder if any one have mad close to 200 on pump gas...

I'm on 194whp using a dynojet. My stock was 145whp using the same dyno

Congrats on the 207whp... That's sweet man

[glorydays]

good stuff. what will this setup do on 93?

[WolfsFang]

So this is the limit of NA atm, wonder how much cams would do.

[Marusich]

Originally Posted by WolfsFang

So this is the limit of NA atm, wonder how much cams would do.

Probably a fair amount, not sure if the downsides would be worth it though.

[charged86]

I forgot to say congratulations!!!

[w00t692]

Originally Posted by LBC Por Siempre

What, you're looking at about 160 WHP at baseline? That's about 20% power loss through the drivetrain? So that's about 56.4BHP, I would be proud on increasing the overall power by over 25%. That's something to be proud of for just some bolt-ons.

It sure isn't bad.

My civic si went from 182 whp to 225 whp with bolt-ons. Looks like a legit gain to me.

Also i HATE dynojets for tuning. They can easily result in a tune that's overadvanced for the street (the tuner should know this so it shouldn't be an issue, but if they don't then watch out)

dynapak's, mustang dyno, dyno dynamics. Great tools for tuning, dynapak's being the preferred by most for uber consistency and extreme fine tuning.

[bakerr6]

Just FYI for those running E85 in cold weather. We had temps below 0 deg. F today and I could barely get my car started. I will not be running E85 anymore this winter because of the starting issues I've been having below 25 deg. I actually planned on switching it out last week, but never had time.

I can send datalogs, but it's obv. my engine was starving for fuel pretty badly (probably due to the temp change.

I will continue to run it during the summer months though

[jamesm]

Originally Posted by bakerr6

Just FYI for those running E85 in cold weather. We had temps below 0 deg. F today and I could barely get my car started. I will not be running E85 anymore this winter because of the starting issues I've been having below 25 deg. I actually planned on switching it out last week, but never had time.

I can send datalogs, but it's obv. my engine was starving for fuel pretty badly (probably due to the temp change.

I will continue to run it during the summer months though

you realize it's easier to fix the cranking table than it is to load the other map and drive to the gas station, right? not trying to sound like a prick, but just bump the cranking enrichment a few percent at a time until you're back to starting up like normal. voila .

[bfrank1972]

Originally Posted by jamesm

you realize it's easier to fix the cranking table than it is to load the other map and drive to the gas station, right? not trying to sound like a prick, but just bump the cranking enrichment a few percent at a time until you're back to starting up like normal. voila .

I plan to try this out once my tank is low - been looking forward to E85 but avoiding it due to cold weather. I don't think the enriched cranking maps have been tested at very cold temps yet - i.e. below 20 degrees F, will be impressive if it works...

[bakerr6]

Originally Posted by jamesm

you realize it's easier to fix the cranking table than it is to load the other map and drive to the gas station, right? not trying to sound like a prick, but just bump the cranking enrichment a few percent at a time until you're back to starting up like normal. voila .

I did that and I don't think it's the actual cranking table as I was having issues with that as soon as I loaded the tune. I went ahead and adjusted those the day after I received the tune. I was having issues with it starving for fuel when started at these low temps, and I think it's more or less due to having restrictions in the fuel lines themselves.

I wont have time to mess with the fuel tables later today (which it should be about 30 deg. warmer tomorrow) but if we have another cold day like today or yesterday, I'll mess with them and update my results.

I was sick all day yesterday or I was planning on messing with it in the morning.

[bakerr6]

Originally Posted by bfrank1972

I plan to try this out once my tank is low - been looking forward to E85 but avoiding it due to cold weather. I don't think the enriched cranking maps have been tested at very cold temps yet - i.e. below 20 degrees F, will be impressive if it works...

It does work to an extent. I having more issues not with it cranking, but with an erratic idle.