207whp… NA Full Bolt On E85

[Victor Draken]

Originally Posted by s2d4

What part of his list will not contribute to power gain/loss, however minute?

-TRD Intake box
-JDL UEL catless header
-Nameless over-pipe high flow cat front pipe

these are the parts you buy for whp/tq increase.

the remaining parts are more for faster revving, better response of the engine, lighter car, sound (exhaust) etc.

Having 200whp on a 2000lbs car or 200whp on a 1800lbs car it makes a big difference (I'm not saying he saved 200lbs I'm just saying that not all the mods directly increase whp/tq numbers.)

[s2d4]

Originally Posted by Victor Draken

these are the parts you buy for whp/tq increase.

the remaining parts are more for faster revving, better response of the engine, lighter car, sound (exhaust) etc.

Having 200whp on a 2000lbs car or 200whp on a 1800lbs car it makes a big difference (I'm not saying he saved 200lbs I'm just saying that not all the mods directly increase whp/tq numbers.)

What happens when you try to remove drivetrain losses?

[Victor Draken]

Originally Posted by s2d4

What happens when you try to remove drivetrain losses?

the increase on a dyno is minimal.

[Deep Six]

A bolt on E85 setup is the perfect solution for anyone wanting 40 or 50 more crank horsepower. The additional power is right now every where in the rev band. It is transformational at the track, providing the ability to execute a pass and get safely back on line. In my case the E85 tune yields 17 more whp than the 93 version.

[s2d4]

Originally Posted by Victor Draken

the increase on a dyno is minimal.

Yeah, exactly.

[Victor Draken]

Originally Posted by s2d4

Yeah, exactly.

So what?

If you want to compare all of his mods you should do different accellerations test and have the car run on the track with different setups and then you would see if it's almost 5k wasted or not.

anyways let's get back on topic.

[jamesm]

nice work! 207whp na might be a record? not sure... it's close either way.

[s2d4]

Originally Posted by Victor Draken

So what?

If you want to compare all of his mods you should do different accellerations test and have the car run on the track with different setups and then you would see if it's almost 5k wasted or not.

anyways let's get back on topic.

I did not say it is wasted.
It is just part of squeezing every last bit out of a stock NA engine, the cost increases exponentially for the last few HPs.
I was just gasping how much was required to get the extra 7whp over the OTS map with OFH, 3 of which was further gained by shiv in an hour.

[ShadowSeraph]

Originally Posted by Victor Draken

these are the parts you buy for whp/tq increase.

the remaining parts are more for faster revving, better response of the engine, lighter car, sound (exhaust) etc.

Having 200whp on a 2000lbs car or 200whp on a 1800lbs car it makes a big difference (I'm not saying he saved 200lbs I'm just saying that not all the mods directly increase whp/tq numbers.)

Don't forget that the "remaining parts" also reduce energy losses in the drive train so more makes it to the road. While not directly increasing available HP of the system, it just makes more of it available to transfer to the road.

fun.


Awesome NA setup for the owner. Now with a few other possible future mods.. I wonder how far NA can be pushed on this engine.

[Sojhinn]

Nicely done shiv! Btw- any chance you saw my battery terminal cover?

[bfrank1972]

Originally Posted by s2d4

I did not say it is wasted.
It is just part of squeezing every last bit out of a stock NA engine, the cost increases exponentially for the last few HPs.
I was just gasping how much was required to get the extra 7whp over the OTS map with OFH, 3 of which was further gained by shiv in an hour.

I think this just goes to show that, while there are incremental gains from exhaust upgrades, E85+tune is the biggest gainer here. I'd personally like to see an OFT dyno of E85+tune on an otherwise stock car - I'd predict on the dynos Shiv is using we'd see high 180's, maybe even break 190 with a custom E85 tune.

[FrsDuke]

But this isn't the same car they did the ofh build on is it? Not all ft86 Dyno the same stock etc etc.

[Sargy]

very very good news indeed

[Dephective]

We are just about at the limit with I/H/E and E85. That limit is pretty much set by the cams. Bigger cams and appropriate valvetrain (stock is mushy) and you could be making way more power, and revving higher. But you sacrifice drivability on the street with more aggressive cams, as this car doesn't have variable lift only variable timing. I'd Like to see what the limit would be on a SLIGHTLY more aggressive cam profile vs. driveablity. Something that will rev efficiently to 8200 and still have enough low end to putt around town. I hear some cam dyno plots will be coming soon.