Subaru BRZ = Order only?

[Guff]

Originally Posted by Subaruwrxfan

Lol it's not so bad. My friend wasn't sure what color to order for his Aventador, we spent many many days discussing it. We decided on a color, but in the end, he realized that he loved the car so much, he knew he'd love whatever color he picked. Kinda relieved him of some of the worry. And he had nothing more than photoshopped pictures to go on, and that was 400k on the line, haha.

I want to be friends with your friend.

[bestwheelbase]

Originally Posted by Subaruwrxfan

My friend wasn't sure what color to order for his Aventador, we spent many many days discussing it. We decided on a color...

What color did he end up buying? I saw a black one driving through the hills recently. It was beautiful in motion. No idea what they drive like. Probably not as comfy as the BRZ. Definitely no trunk space for track tires.

Edit: But I assume it's got push-button start. Haha!

[Subaruwrxfan]

Originally Posted by bestwheelbase

What color did he end up buying? I saw a black one driving through the hills recently. It was beautiful in motion. No idea what they drive like. Probably not as comfy as the BRZ. Definitely no trunk space for track tires.

Edit: But I assume it's got push-button start. Haha!

Tissues are over here guys...

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[bestwheelbase]

Okay so I contacted some dealers to see whether they'd be receptive to locking in a price like Giccin arranged in SoCal. Nobody knew what the hell I was talking about. Speaking with these people, who spend 40+ hours per week standing around Subaru products, reminded me that all this hype is really only focused within our core group of hardcore enthusiasts. Everyone I talked to said it was too early to even put my name on a list to receive information as it comes available. They ranged from not knowing what a BRZ was at all, to saying it would not be coming out until late 2013.

This all goes back to my point that negotiating with a dealer is a waste of my time. Which is my personal preference. And before I say anything more, which will surely be a sweeping generalization, I will bite my tongue.

[86design]

Originally Posted by Subaruwrxfan

Tissues are over here guys...

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Check please!!!!!!

[bestwheelbase]

Originally Posted by Subaruwrxfan

Tissues are over here guys...

I think Lamborghinis are the most-rev'd-under-zero-load cars of all time. I know all types of car owners do it, but it seems like the Lambo guys really take it to a whole new level.

By the way -- with 549 miles on the odometer, I think that video is making our long-term break-in devotees go catatonic.

[Subaruwrxfan]

Originally Posted by bestwheelbase

By the way -- with 549 miles on the odometer, I think that video is making our long-term break-in devotees go catatonic.

Lol well they can take solace in the fact that Lamborghini breaks the engines in on an engine dyno so they're ready to roar from the factory.

[bestwheelbase]

Originally Posted by Subaruwrxfan

Lol well they can take solace in the fact that Lamborghini breaks the engines in on an engine dyno so they're ready to roar from the factory.

Indeed! And further evidence that break-in does not take thousands of miles.

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by bestwheelbase

Indeed! And further evidence that break-in does not take thousands of miles.

I like you. In addition to those exotics, motorcycles are also broken in on dynos from the manufacturer as well. Those things last thousands of miles with lots of abuse (and really frequent maintenance, to be fair).

[brianbot5000]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

So anyways, if you really believe that another RWD compact sports car will be released by December than I think you are going to be very disappointed.

Totally agree - nearly zero chance of an unknown competitor coming along with a RWD sports coupe that competes with the BRZ in price. I just mean, the longer people have to wait the more likely they are to jump ship and go to something else like the Genesis Coupe or the G37 coupe...or even something totally different like an STI (though I'm thinking Subaru won't mind), or an Evo.

What I'm saying is, I'm impatient and I don't want to wait - but I'm also rational enough to need to see it in person and sit in it. That's a bad combination right now.

[Enemies]

Originally Posted by Guff

I want to be friends with your friend.

I want to have his friends money.

[Enemies]

Originally Posted by bestwheelbase

Okay so I contacted some dealers to see whether they'd be receptive to locking in a price like Giccin arranged in SoCal. Nobody knew what the hell I was talking about. Speaking with these people, who spend 40+ hours per week standing around Subaru products, reminded me that all this hype is really only focused within our core group of hardcore enthusiasts. Everyone I talked to said it was too early to even put my name on a list to receive information as it comes available. They ranged from not knowing what a BRZ was at all, to saying it would not be coming out until late 2013.

This all goes back to my point that negotiating with a dealer is a waste of my time. Which is my personal preference. And before I say anything more, which will surely be a sweeping generalization, I will bite my tongue.

Yeah, it's pretty sad. You just kind of have to hope that you find the guy who knows the most. There was one guy in the dealership that seemed to know the most but he was in his office talking to somebody and the guy I was talking to kept popping his head into his office and asking him the questions I was asking him.

I felt like saying, thanks but I think I'll wait for the other guy to be finished so I can talk to him directly. Not exactly the most fluid conversation when somebody has no clue what he's talking about. He also told me that the BRZ is only available in 4 colours, maybe even a 5th! :P

[bestwheelbase]

Originally Posted by Enemies

Yeah, it's pretty sad.

To avoid sounding like a totally jerk with unrealistic expectations, let me add this...

I understand that non-superfans will be less informed. And I get that not everyone who may answer the telephone at a dealership may be current on upcoming product details. So I made sure to speak with a sales rep. And I made sure their website still featured the product I was asking about. At this point anybody sitting in a dentist's office in middle America has seen one of the magazine features about the car. Yet the guys at the retailer cannot tell me what I am asking about?

But I am sure these same people will be the first to "drive a hard bargain" when I'm sitting at the salesman's desk trying to drive home in a nice shiny new vehicle. Extolling the virtues of the car, reminding me how in-demand it has become, and how hard to get they are...

Dealerships are good at making deals. Generating profit. Inflating balloons. Product knowledge comes secondary. I'm sure there are exceptions to the rules but c'mon people, even those who are in the industry, you must understand where I'm coming from!

bedtime for bestwheelbase.

[tachi1247]

I also get agravated with salesmen as I find the are constantly making inaccurate remarks about their own products or just straight up have no real clue. I've had a guy tell me that a mini cooper was rwd because its owned by bmw and bmw only does rwd. I've also had a ford dealer tell me that we don't want a rav4 because it only comes fwd with a 4 cylinder unlike the edge we were driving. I called him out on that one and he was like I must have it confused with another brand then. Really? What company makes a fwd only suv in this country?

Anyway, my point is car salesmen are just like any other salesmen. They don't need to know crap about the product they are selling as long as they are good at selling. Seriously though many successful salesman go from company to company pitching products and as long as they are good they will make sales. Car salesman are, in general, some of the least knowledgeable people about cars.

Its kind of funny to me though that they sit around most of the day waitin for customers to come in and they can't find the time to memorize what features come in a certain package or what options are available on some of their most popular cars. I've had honda guys tell me I can get a sunroof from the factory on a civic lx, which is untrue for every model honda makes.

Rant over.