Lowest $ Amount Someone Has Thought You Paid For Your FR-S?

[Kids Heart]

Originally Posted by hanabie

The glowing shit looks way better than some shitty looking wheels.
I respect the glowing badge.

Examples?

[s0sl0w]

Originally Posted by DMDominator

Yeah, it sure did go sideways, lol. I just don't get the people who keep up the mantra of "It's a $25,000 car". Because absolutely no one adds any accessories, right? Mine came in at a little over $28k before tax, title and ex. warranty. Can easily get over $30k just by adding useful/tasteful accessories. I was at about $30k with the extended warranty before tax and title. Could have pulled a base '14 370Z or BRZ Limited for that much but I like the FR-S. :happy0180:

It doesn't change the fact that it's a $25k car just because you got accessories and extended warranty...

[DMDominator]

Originally Posted by s0sl0w

It doesn't change the fact that it's a $25k car just because you got accessories and extended warranty...

You're right, it doesn't change the base price. I would hope we can agree that adding accessories makes the car a bit "nicer", right?

[strat61caster]

I'm going to be nice/gullible (in assuming that this guy is actually confused) and address this properly.

Originally Posted by ric342

when he told me about the engine being forward, thoughts running through my mind were, the Subaru has a stiffer suspension then the scion.So a engine moved forward could facilitate the comment and help the 50/50 balance witch for the scion I believe is a 53/47. They both run on McPherson struts and they both have double wishbone suspension, so the thought of the engine being pushed forward is far from impossible, and when he told me moved forward it would have been no more than a mm. Im not gullible just trust too much and if he is wrong which all of you are saying then fine. Still I must get to the bottom of this because like I said he hasn't steered me wrong.:happy0180:

1. The Subaru doesn't have a stiffer suspension, there's some confusion going back and forth, look at the date of what you're referencing, a lot of those statements come from 2011, they're so close though that 99.9% of owners wouldn't be able to tell the difference. It's generally accepted that the FRS has a stiffer feeling rear end to facillitate oversteer. This has almost zero impact on theoretical engine placement as suspension tuning is generally fine tuned AFTER the engine layout and chassis details have been finalized as it is based mostly on weight distribution.
2. Moving the engine forward would make the weight distribution WORSE, currently it's about 53/47 front/rear, you would want to move the engine BACK to get closer to 50/50.
3. Suspension type has relatively little impact on if the engine can be moved, the thing could use leaf springs and the engine could be placed anywhere else. Also it isn't true double wishbone in the rear, more accurately it is a multi link suspension.
4. Yes the engine COULD be moved, at the cost of the engineering to make the change feasible, duplicating tooling (the largest cost of this), and maintaining separation between the chassis build process so they don't get switched around. Both cars would cost more from this change. The amount the engine moves does not have as significant of an impact on overall weight distribution as you think and it further implies how silly the idea is because of how small the change is, 1mm equals 0.04 inches, that would have literally a 0.02% change in the weight distribution at the MOST, so from 53/47 to a whopping 53.01/46.99, again notice that this is the wrong way from your assertion that this would achieve a closer 50/50 weight distribution.
5. Trusting too much is the definition of gullible, look it up.
6. You just looked up the definition of gullible, this is the first step on the road to a better you.

[Luis_GT]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

I'm going to be nice/gullible (in assuming that this guy is actually confused) and address this properly.


1. The Subaru doesn't have a stiffer suspension, there's some confusion going back and forth, look at the date of what you're referencing, a lot of those statements come from 2011, they're so close though that 99.9% of owners wouldn't be able to tell the difference. It's generally accepted that the FRS has a stiffer feeling rear end to facillitate oversteer. This has almost zero impact on theoretical engine placement as suspension tuning is generally fine tuned AFTER the engine layout and chassis details have been finalized as it is based mostly on weight distribution.

The subaru does have a stiffer spring rate up front

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10416

[s0sl0w]

Originally Posted by DMDominator

You're right, it doesn't change the base price. I would hope we can agree that adding accessories makes the car a bit "nicer", right?

It can.

[hanabie]

Originally Posted by Luis_GT

The subaru does have a stiffer spring rate up front

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10416

are you going to stay stock? the stock suspension is meaningless to me because I'm getting coils.
QFT, I've seen people trading FRS for BRZ but never seen anyone trading BRZ for a regular FRS, not sure for a 10 series.
Not saying BRZ is a better car. But yes, it has more features than an FRS, including 10 series. Like it or not.

[DMDominator]

Originally Posted by s0sl0w

It can.

I must say that I wish the FR-S had the heated seats and auto climate control like the BRZ Limited. Great stuff.

[Luis_GT]

Originally Posted by hanabie

are you going to stay stock? the stock suspension is meaningless to me because I'm getting coils.
QFT, I've seen people trading FRS for BRZ but never seen anyone trading BRZ for a regular FRS, not sure for a 10 series.
Not saying BRZ is a better car. But yes, it has more features than an FRS, including 10 series. Like it or not.

Yes, stock, cause if you haven't noticed, we're instructing someone who says that the BRZ has the engine moved compared to the FR-S.

As far as features... I have no use for seat warmers, or the falling homelink mirror

[TRD-X]

Originally Posted by DMDominator

I must say that I wish the FR-S had the heated seats and auto climate control like the BRZ Limited. Great stuff.

I've got climate control and with me living in the south I don't need seat warmers or leather.

[hanabie]

Originally Posted by Luis_GT

Yes, stock, cause if you haven't noticed, we're instructing someone who says that the BRZ has the engine moved compared to the FR-S.

As far as features... I have no use for seat warmers, or the falling homelink mirror

Home link mirror is an option. It is a nice feature if they fix what you think it's falling. I have no use for seat warmers either, it is just a plus. However, my gf loves the seat warmer. She can turn it on her seat. I hope all of your friends hate seat warmers too. I'm glad you got a 10. But some of these features may be useful to others.

[Luis_GT]

Originally Posted by hanabie

Home link mirror is an option. It is a nice feature if they fix what you think it's falling. I have no use for seat warmers either, it is just a plus. However, my gf loves the seat warmer. She can turn it on her seat. I hope all of your friends hate seat warmers too. I'm glad you got a 10. But some of these features may be useful to others.

Seat warmers... in the tropics... the only use it has here is for playing a prank on someone... so it is usless and a waste of money where I live... plus the frs front end looks better

and I can always mount a homelink on mine but I love my frameless mirror...

[yarik83]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Why did you pay >$15k for that Tacoma? I've spent about $3k on my Nissan, I get 23 mpg and it has done everything I have asked of it and I can sell it for at least $2k, if not more. What can your truck do that mine can't? Seems overpriced to me...

I spent 13 years of my life driving around in $3K cars. Heck my first ever car was pulled from a junk yard and made to run on my tears. My second car was pulled from same junkyard and made to run on my weekly trips to mechanic. It has been a long time coming. I got to the point where every single year I was spending over $5,000 of my money to fix a transmission or a radiator that needed to be completely replaced or an engine that leaked 1 quart of oil per day or some other odd thing. In 2010 I finally had enough.

I needed a car that could get me to work in the morning... and not to a job... but a career job... the job that pays the bills. I needed a reliable horse that ran like a champ with no hiccups. I also needed a huge car because I go scuba diving so needed lots of space for gear and also needed something to haul trailers with and lug construction stuff in and haul my kayak and mountain bike. I was never a truck person but a truck was the only choice.

I could have bought a 3K nissan... but I did not want to wake up in the morning in my business casual suit and come out smelling like oil and gasoline. I did not want to mess with leaky windows or an axle that would not turn or half of car leaning backwards because frame was bent. I wanted to be able to put my family in the vehicle without hoping that my car would drive 500 miles and back to a vacation spot.

My truck cost me $22,000 and it was the best investment I made yet. I use it for off roading and never have to worry about space, I sleep in it when I camp, I have a shower system and a bed and scuba gear compartments and a roof rack for the kayak and a bike rack for the mountain bike. My car starts and goes... and has an amazing surround system to listen to my tunes.

Now to get back to your question. You can not compare your $3K truck to my $22K truck.... no this is not a pissing match. You are comparing a used old vehicle (probably with high mileage and lots of years under its hood) to a much newer used truck with low mileage and not so many years under its hood. Nissan Frontier (which I guess you have)... in "similar package" costs same if not higher than a Toyota Tacoma in my package. Actually come to think of it... it does cost higher.. by a whole $3K.

I know I know.. you are passionate about your frs/brz... and you know what... I was once like you having this exact conversation with a guy who had 10 years on me. I had no idea why he would be questioning my choices... and now that I am actually 30... it sort of sinked in... finally.

I compare FRS against its competitors... and yes for the record I am really hoping to persuade myself to buy an frs in hot lava. One thing I am not seeing is quantity for the kind of cash that car costs. What I am relieved to see is that I think toyota has heard the many voices of its fans (probably by paroosing this very website) and that is why on 2014 model they are "introducing/revamping" standard features on the car.

I am not making any purchase decisions at the moment because I am hunting for my 2nd house which is of higher priority but frs is still on the radar.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by yarik83

Now to get back to your question. You can not compare your $3K truck to my $22K truck.... no this is not a pissing match. You are comparing a used old vehicle (probably with high mileage and lots of years under its hood) to a much newer used truck with low mileage and not so many years under its hood. Nissan Frontier (which I guess you have)... in "similar package" costs same if not higher than a Toyota Tacoma in my package. Actually come to think of it... it does cost higher.. by a whole $3K.

I compare FRS against its competitors... and yes for the record I am really hoping to persuade myself to buy an frs in hot lava. One thing I am not seeing is quantity for the kind of cash that car costs. What I am relieved to see is that I think toyota has heard the many voices of its fans (probably by paroosing this very website) and that is why on 2014 model they are "introducing/revamping" standard features on the car.

Appreciate the perspective, enjoy your truck.

FYI, 200,000 miles, that $3k is total money spent, new tires, glass, driveshaft, clutch, etc. etc. and has never failed to start, has never left me smelling like gas, aside from looking kinda shitty (poor paint) my Nissan Hardbody (Frontier was not introduced until 1996) was the best decision I made. I'm just being defensive, sounds like you got some really POS cars, I'll admit I scored an abnormal deal, but the truck I bought at most would have run me $5k over the 3 years I have owned it, again, never leaving me late or stranded.

What features are they "introducing/revamping" to the FRS that excite you? Or relieve as the case may be.

PS, my AC works great in 100+ heat, love my truck